Limelight
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CWB
I can make CWB files fast but thay thak forever to open ?
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CJaysMusic
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CWB is a very very old way of doing things. Cakewalk has the new and improved and more stable CWP and per project files. CWB should be used only when your sharing a project with a buddy. Its not for storing or saving
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Limelight
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Yes I do it to share but I have the same problem with a audio file from a buddy but I never had this happen before it,s a new thing.
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CJaysMusic
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If its happening on a different pc, since your sharing, it may take longer because it needs to draw all the WOV files (picture wave files). I really don't know how CWB files open. Its been a while since i opened one.
Cj
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Cookie Jarvis
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CWB is the way to go for archiving and collaboration- 1 file contains all aspects of your project, from settings to audio files. Now for projects you are working on alone ( and are in progress, finished ones should be archived to disc as CWB files)I would recommend using CWP as the audio is saved separately(make sure you set your audio files to go to a per-project folder :) ) and the CWP files will just save the settings and adjustments, much quicker to load.
Bill
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CJaysMusic
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CWB is the way to go for archiving and collaboration Cookie, i hate to say it, but CWB is the worst for archiving not storing or backing up. As said in sonar power books, CWB files can be unstable and are risky to use, in more or less words. CWB is also the old way of file storage and saving. CWB files will become corrupt more than CWP and per project. Also when CWB files become corrupt, you cannot open the entire file. If CWP and per project gets corrupt, you can still open it. Do you still thing CWB is for storing and archiving? You where half right, there great for collabs, but nothing else. Its documented that CWB files are bad for saving and storing in sonar power. Cj
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Cookie Jarvis
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I actually back up both ways, but have never experienced any trouble with opening bundles. If there are problems with CWB files Cakewalk should work on that, it seems foolish to me to have to save out individual files and folders. Thanks for the heads up :)
Bill
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mcourter
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I save both too. I don't usually work with CWB files, but when I have, I've had no problems opening them. I save bundle files in case I ever want to go back and re-work the song, I'll be able to alter individual tracks. I've never actually done it, mind you, but just in case the muse strikes..........of course, I save the wavs and mp3s too. Which might be considered overkill 
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bapu
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My son had a problem a few years ago with a CWB created in XL2. It would actually crash his machine. Only one out many of his CWB's did that.
He converted all his remaining CWP's (in 6PE).
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CJaysMusic
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I actually back up both ways Cool, I didnt know and i didnt want you to find out the hard way about bundles. Cj
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Tonegroove
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Now I know I'm not crazy.
For what it's worth, I'm running version 8 producer (don't see the value in upgrading at the moment.. or ever, at this rate). I was just working with a project with a few tempo changes.. A handful of vocal tracks, some guitar, some real piano synth.. all to a click. I created a bundle file to send to my drummer and, as usual, I tested it. It was totally screwed up. The bass takes were on the guitar track and the timing was all off. The acoustic was completely missing! Not sure what went wrong, but, needless to say, no more CWB's for me.
A nice alternative (and good maintenace task), that I've found, is to just "Save As..." to a new location. The CWAF tool sucks pretty bad these days as well (damn, Roland).
.. on a related note, I really REALLY wish they would fix the basic things like this and not try and revamp an already very usable UI... or add more bells. I mean, damn... the worst part of SONAR that I've found, is little instabilities like this. Half-baked features. How freakin' hard is it to make an export format that's portable that just WORKS!. </rant>
(Yeah.. between the lines... I'm slowly creeping away from SONAR, despite that I've used it since Cakewalk 1.0)
Since I'm ranting.. how friggin' hard is it to have a "project cleanup" option? sheesh. (Yeah.. update the CWAF to just look at ONE folder. Duh.)
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Jim Roseberry
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I can make CWB files fast but thay thak forever to open ? When opening a bundle file, each track's Wav file is written to HD. Have you benchmarked the HD where the bundle file is writing the Wav files? I don't use bundle files unless collaborating... (for the reasons mentioned above) That said, I haven't had any problems (recently) when opening bundle files created in X1.
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Tonegroove
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HD performance isn't the issue here, at all. The tracks I'm bundling are few (6 or 8). I've had no problems in the past, and have worked with projects with many, many more tracks (36+, some stereo). I'm also running very new hardware that can handle many, many more tracks at once... recording at 1.5 ms latency. (It's a Athlon X6 1090T / 8GB RAM / SATA3 drives - A dream to work with!)
It's an interesting hypothesis. I did try multiple times, all with the same result. Maybe it's worth sending to Roland to troubleshoot. ... but I bet they'll fix it and make me pay to upgrade for the bug fix. (wahh :( )
Gonna come back to this issue later. I kinda like the workaround anyway. Easier to get at the raw tracks, if needed..
Cheers!
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