[CWBRN-31737] - Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working

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[CWBRN-31737] - Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working

Downloaded the update last night (I think it was Ryan that posted the download link) on my laptop here at home and did an offline install on my DAW in the studio today.  Then noticed that I can no longer solo drum pieces when using a drummap.  This was one of the features that I really liked about Platinum.
 
It it just me or anyone else experienced this?
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/01 21:37:06 (permalink)
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    Just tried with Superior Drummer 2 with an Avatar map I built some time ago, solo and mute work OK. Also tested repositioning the MIDI track above the audio tracks (I believe this was a problem in the past).
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/01 21:41:05 (permalink)
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    OK...thanks scook.  I will give it another try tomorrow.  Just noticed it today with a project that I was working on yesterday in Platinum.  But after the update, I could no longer solo my snare, etc.  I too am using Superior Drummer 2 with the Avatar map.
     
    Glad to know it's working for you.  Means it must be on my end.
     
    Edited to add:  One thing I didn't do is reboot after running the update file.  Maybe it will work tomorrow when I boot everything back up.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/01 21:47:41 (permalink)
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    I may not be using the bundled Avatar map (not that it should matter).
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/01 21:52:53 (permalink)
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    I have created a few of my own drum maps.  But, this was with a project that I was just working on yesterday...soloing drums.  Just noticed that I couldn't do it today after the update.
     
    Rebooting might make a difference.  If it doesn't...I will see if I can redo the update thru the CC instead of from the offline download file.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 12:39:56 (permalink)
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    Well...I re-updated my DAW, this time using the CC.  Of course it downloaded the same file I had downloaded before but thought I'd try it thru the CC.  No change.
     
    I still can't solo drum kit pieces anymore.  I could with Platinum before the update...but now it works just as all previous versions of Sonar did....no solo of drum kit pieces if using a drum map. 
     
    I can't imagine what could have changed.  I am opening projects that I just worked on in Platinum right before the update and I could solo my kit pieces.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 20:49:50 (permalink)
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    Just tried with Superior Drummer 2 with an Avatar map I built some time ago, solo and mute work OK. Also tested repositioning the MIDI track above the audio tracks (I believe this was a problem in the past).


    I just tried it with Superior and AD2. No go. 
     
    Here is a link to a .cwp that does not solo. TestSolo.cwp Go ahead an start the project in Build 37 x64 and see if you can simply press the solo on either the Kick or the Snare while the on bar loop in in play.
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 21:01:42 (permalink)
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    Here the fix that probably effected it (check PDF)...

    'Drum map output prevented parent track from muting correctly'

    So I wonder if this was a simple rollback to the previous state hence we are back to where we were.

    Then again Scook is not experiencing this so maybe we need new steps to repro?

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 21:04:56 (permalink)
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    I have been kind of perplexed that no one else has chimed in on whether or not they can solo drum kit pieces in the new updated Platinum.  Thanks for checking this out for me Bapu.
     
    I did create a NEW project from scratch today in the new updated Platinum.  I could solo the kit pieces.  But I have 16 new songs in an "background tracks" CD project I've been working on over the past few weeks.  I was hesitant to switch to Platinum mid project, but did try working on several of the songs just to try Platinum out.  Soloing kit pieces worked like a charm in the original version of Platinum.  But, I had other issues such as the midi notes dropping...others have posted experiencing this same problem.  I tried changing the MIDI buffers all the way up to 1000 with no luck (X3 works fine with no midi note drops at 250).
     
    Anyway...I update when the update comes out.  Now I can no longer solo my drum kit parts.  Muting individual drum  parts work fine....but not solo.
     
    Anyone else...?  Give this a quick try and let us know...?  Just solo a drum kit while using a drum map.  Thanks :) .

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 21:23:14 (permalink)
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    Bapu I tried your project and it soloed for me.
    Edit: Also tried it with a new project and it worked. I only have AD2 for drums though.
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 21:34:13 (permalink)
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    Bapu I tried your project and it soloed for me.
    Edit: Also tried it with a new project and it worked. I only have AD2 for drums though.


    You could solo the Kick or Snare audio track? And you are on build 37 x64 (i.e. Braintree)?
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 21:43:30 (permalink)
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    Two crucial bits if information here.
    # As bapu says what Sonar version?
    # Also is this reproducable from a brand new project (in Braintree).

    Thanks.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 21:52:12 (permalink)
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    Sorry guys , yes I have the Braintree update  and yes I soloed kick and/or snare in Bapu's project and the one I created to test it. To be clear I was soloing at the drum map,not at the audio output track.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 22:02:39 (permalink)
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    I just tried it again and this time I tried it (soloing) at the audio track output and it did not work.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 22:06:01 (permalink)
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    So I'm wondering if old projects work (well depending on what version of Sonar they were created on), and new projects don't?


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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 22:07:40 (permalink)
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    A new project worked for me today....old (pre update) does not....but did in Platinum before update.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 22:17:03 (permalink)
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    So the other way around then...
     
    People then need to confirm that the issue does not happen in new Braintree projects.

    Reading this thread again it seems like the issue happens in projects created before Braintree, and Cakewalk might need to put in cleanup code for older projects....

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 22:25:10 (permalink)
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    It's definitely something that was changed in the update since soloing kit pieces in these projects worked before the update.  I need to double check again tomorrow and see if I was correct about it soloing in a "new" project.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 22:26:56 (permalink)
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    It does not work in new projects for me either. The workaround for me is to solo or mute at the drum map and not at the audio track output.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 22:43:20 (permalink)
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    Good to know teego.  I was beginning to think it was just my system.  Thanks for checking it out on your system.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 22:50:11 (permalink)
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    So this is most confusing at the moment (maybe I'm not reading this thread correctly). So there must be some conditions where it works and some other conditions where it doesn't...?

    Many thanks...

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 23:08:08 (permalink)
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    I will have to re check that tomorrow Splat.  I have done so much experimenting that I'm getting a brainfart with braintree :) .
     
    I will try it again when I get to the studio tomorrow with a "new" project and see if the solo works.  I thought I had done that...but now I'm questioning myself...

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/02 23:08:48 (permalink)
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    Lol :) Know how you feel :)

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/03 10:32:40 (permalink)
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    OK....here's the latest scoop.  I did some experimenting this morning and this is the outcome.
     
    If you start a NEW project without AD or SD and THEN add either AD or SD drums to the project...you can solo the kit pieces.
     
    If you open a project (or template) that already has an AD or SD drum kit...you can NOT solo the kit pieces.
     
    I have templates that I have created with either AD or SD kits already mapped out to individual outs that I start the majority of my projects with.  And starting a new project with any of these templates does not allow for soloing drum kit pieces.  NOW...this did work in Platinum before the update, because I had opened projects that I had already been working on in X3...and I COULD solo drum kit pieces.  This had me excited about Platinum.  It was only after the update that I can no longer solo the pieces in these projects, or any other project started with drums already in the project template.
     
    Edited to add:  I am referring to SD as Superior Drummer 2.0 ...not Session Drummer.  Haven't tried Session Drummer to see if it does the same thing.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/03 10:40:37 (permalink)
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    I will have to try that (i.e. start a new project and add a drum module).
     
    From a programmers (me) POV that does not make sense unless the act of adding a VSTi does some new magic in setting up internal routing that a previous project/template did not do.
     
    BTW, I did send in a bug report on this last night. 
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/03 10:52:08 (permalink)
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    Can somebody paste a CWBRN number here
    Is a forum host able to move this to the problem reports forum please?
     
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/03 10:59:30 (permalink)
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    Ted,
     
    I just created a new project. Did an Insert->SoftSynth->AD2.
     
    Set the individual outs in AD2.
     
    Added the AD2 Standard Drum Map. 
     
    Did not close the project. I *could NOT* solo any audio kit piece.
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/03 10:59:56 (permalink)
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    updated post #25. Redacted. That was not the CWBRN number. I cannot find the number.
    post edited by bapu - 2015/03/03 11:16:19
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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/03 11:45:51 (permalink)
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    Ahhh Bapu...that must be the difference.  I just tried it again.  I had NOT added a drum map when I started the NEW project then added the AD or SD.
     
    YOU ARE CORRECT.  Once I added the drum map....no more soloing.
     
    I'm so used to starting projects with one of my templates that already has the drum map...that I just forgot to add it in the new test project.

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    Re: Soloing drum pieces with a drummap no longer working 2015/03/03 11:49:47 (permalink)
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    Ted,
     
    Maybe you could post a bug report? I cannot find my CWBRN and I don't want to double post one.
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