[CWBRN-40003] Snap Offset values suddenly appear when audio clips are slip-stretch edited

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[CWBRN-40003] Snap Offset values suddenly appear when audio clips are slip-stretch edited

Whenever I slip-edit clips, the snap-offset changes from normal 0 to a random value.
This wreaks havoc when next I try to reposition a clip on a snap boundary.
 
To reproduce:
1) Create new project, record about 10 bars of silence.
2) Open clip inspector and note that the Snap Offset value is normally 0.
3) Turn off Snap grid.
4) Cut track up into clips approx. 2 bars long by using Alt + scissors icon.
5) Shorten some clips by Ctrl + hovering over right edge of each clip (the
edge turns yellow and a left-pointing rectangular icon appears) then press
the left mouse button and drag-and-drop the right edge toward the  left some.
 
Result:
In most of the shortened clips, the Snap Offset value is no longer 0.
 
If the Snap Offset value is a) positive, and b) less than the length of the clip, then a Snap Offset Marker flag will be visible within the clip. This is a thin vertical grey line with a little right-facing triangular pennant at the bottom of the line.
 
Be aware that negative values do occur, too.
 
The very first clip never seems to be affected, however.
 
Other members of this forum have confirmed this, see the following thread.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/A-Snap-Offset-marker-appears-when-audio-clip-end-is-shortened-Bug-m3285799.aspx

I can reproduce it in Hopkinton and even in the oldest version I have installed, namely Sonar 8.0
(in Sonar 8 you must right-click, then from the menu select "Split". Then to see the offset
value, right-click again and select "Clip properties". Don't forget to disable snap-to-grid.).

In 8.0 I have not got negative values yet.
 
Experience seems to show that clips 1 to 2 bars long work "best", and that the first clip seems immune.
However, I have managed to get a clip 6 bars long to also display this phenomenon.
 
I think a clue may lie in the fact that the first clip remains unaffected.
Perhaps the length from the beginning of the original clip is being taken as a reference somewhere in the code, and since this is identical to the start of the audio (both value=0) only for the very first clip, subsequent clips think an offset is already present and erroneously try to compensate it's position when the end of the clip is released and the length is recalculated.
 
post edited by jpetersen - 2015/09/30 21:32:17
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    Doktor Avalanche
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    Re: Unwanted Snap Offset values are generated when audio clips are shortened by slip-editi 2015/09/16 00:31:24 (permalink)
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    Thanks.
    Can you post a CWBRN number?
    https://www.cakewalk.com/...Contact/Problem-Report

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    Re: Unwanted Snap Offset values are generated when audio clips are shortened by slip-editi 2015/09/16 05:21:04 (permalink)
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    No.
     
    "The Cakewalk Problem Reporter is currently closed while we prepare to role out some improvements to the system."
     
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    Re: Unwanted Snap Offset values are generated when audio clips are shortened by slip-editi 2015/09/16 17:47:53 (permalink)
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    Ah ha... It's almost RIP problem reports forums time.... (or not).
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/16 17:57:08

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    Re: Unwanted Snap Offset values are generated when audio clips are shortened by slip-editi 2015/09/17 10:08:22 (permalink)
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    I was wondering how you "role" out something.
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    Re: Unwanted Snap Offset values are generated when audio clips are shortened by slip-editi 2015/12/03 06:46:22 (permalink)
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    As noted in the linked thread, I also reproduced similar effects with a different workflow: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Slip-edit-moving-things-wrongly-m3230458.aspx
     
    I tested quickly and it was still an issue in the Kingston release.

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