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Cakewalk Forum version
Just a general question about the forum: Does Cakewalk have any plans to upgrade the Commercial Version 4? I noticed that IE and Chrome are the best two browsers to use, but the latest versions of Firefox (any system, including Linux), Safari, and Mac-based Chrome don't seem to support the proper formatting. I prefer to use FireFox, but don't want to have to go back to Version 5 to get the formatting abilities, or to have to use Windows all the time to use chrome. I realize browser developers could maybe have compensated, but they are less likely to fix such issues. Thanks!
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/21 10:57:08
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I prefer to use FireFox, but don't want to have to go back to Version 5 to get the formatting abilities You said it all just there, There is nothing wrong with the forum, it works perfectly in IE and used to work perfectly in FireFox untill they changed FireFox... It is the job of a web browser to acurately display the contents of web sites. If it doesn't then it's not the fault of the web site.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/21 14:38:15
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I guess what I mean is that, while I agree that it's the job of the browser to correctly display and work with the code of the site, in this case, I find that there's more browsers that are no longer compensating for the idiosyncrasies of this forum any longer. In so many words, it's their way of signaling, "Update your websites. We're through supporting old code. Do you want a faster browser, one that supports old code, or one that you have to buy?" See RFC1925 (7a): "Good, Fast, Cheap: Pick any two (you can't have all three)."
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/21 16:28:37
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Well - to be honest.. This forum is the ONLY forum that has problems with my version (17.0) of Firefox. And I visit a lot of forums! And no - I cannot (and will not) use an older version from a few years back, simply because that would break my automatic software maintenance. I like to keep software in balance with the rest of my system, so everything just runs smoothly. It is also a bit strange to forced to use a rusty old browser (or another browser) just because only ONE forum I visit refuses to update their software. All other forums I visit do have updated their software. I also do not have IE, because most browsing I do from my Linux machine that has no Microsoft stuff at all - for obvious reasons. Please understand I do not rant about it or demand anything. I simply visit this forum less frequently, just because Firefox is my default (and preferred) browser, and I have to start up another browser to be able to give a well-formatted reply.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/21 20:06:07
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Problem is I think Chrome tracks you, I would have never installed it if it was not for this forum. This IS the ONLY web site you need it for. Someone said if they update the forum it would loose all the old information??
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 06:01:06
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AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! I just tried to write my reply in firefox and lost all I'd written. DOH! Anyway, it went something like this....... I contacted ASPPlayground.NET last year about this and they said cakewalk were offered the upgrade at the time but have not installed it. I don't remember what cakewalks reason for not doing so was, or even if they gave one but I don't think the blame should be entirely down to the browser. It would be nice if browsers were backward compatible though. Steve
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 10:26:30
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NOTE: This post was from Opera, the only browser I found would work on a MAC for this forum.
There's an inherent software balance that developers MUST adhere to, only because it's just stark reality:
To make something run fast, it has to be stripped of anything useless that slows it down. Of course, that's just simple physics at work. For example, a race car that's pulling a cargo trailer full of repair parts, crew, and tools will not compete very well in a race, even though it will be fixable wherever it breaks down. Mozilla has to decide at what point have most of the old websites have been retired, and now the demand is HTML5 and such.
To compete with the demands, but remain fast for us impatient users, they simply have to strip away old, deprecated code from the browser. I agree, that I lurk on many boards, and this is one of the very few where I have formatting trouble. Chrome is fast, but as we can see, Chrome on a Mac doesn't handle the formatting - So, this leaves Mac users without a good browser, save, maybe Opera that will handle the Cakewalk board correctly.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 10:47:38
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The Cakewalk forum doesn't work with IE 9 flawlessly either. While the formattig and line break work (unlike in Firefox - duhhh), sometimes after I post something, it either freezes Internet Explorer or takes too long to post (like 30 seconds or more) or I am presented with an error message (like "Server Error" or something) ALTHOUGH the post is uploaded. What truly is beyond my comprehension, is that the Search function does not work. In any browser. You have to use Google and use site:cakewalk.com to filter the results. I find that EMBARRASSING for a company that produces software, let alone for one where it also reads "by Roland".
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 11:22:19
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The only browser I've used it with where it works exactly as intended is Firefox 3.6.
Even the IE Tab with the latest Firefox shows some odd problems after I used it a while and I just switched back to FF 3.6.
@PopStarWannabe: You're right, the search function here has always been useless.
@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 11:25:13
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It does sort of surprise me as well about the fact that Roland attaches their name to this, not that this is anything against either company. Roland is pretty impressive with its forward-thinking (at least, historically). Roland's investment in Cakewalk tells me that we should expect some better improvements in product lines in the near future.
With that said, yes, if Roland is invested in Cakewalk, then the forum version upgrade should have been a no-brainer. I can't speak for Roland or Cakewalk, but someone may have made a conscious decision not to upgrade the forum software.
Now is a good time to revisit this. It's Q1 of 2013, when most new budgets are in play. Two things I want to see from Cakewalk as a result: 1) Spend more time and money to better test and squash bugs before the software (Sonar) hits the shelves, and 2) Upgrade the forum. I personally don't need "new" features. I want the bug-squashing to actually catch up to the innovation for once.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 11:32:14
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"they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software."
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I wonder what they customized? Doesn't look like much. The forum "looks" like many others on the web (very Open-Source). Should be an easy fix for those guys. I have faith. I just don't think their priorities are optimal to the end-users.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 11:32:59
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@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software. I don't recall that being the reason they couldn't or wouldn't upgrade the forum software. I must have missed that response. I do remember someone from CW saying they had plans on doing something about the forum software but it must be on the same update list as V-Vocal.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 11:33:58
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Problem is I think Chrome tracks you, I would have never installed it if it was not for this forum. This IS the ONLY web site you need it for. Someone said if they update the forum it would loose all the old information??
So what? Track away. It's not like I'm into child porn or weird twisted sick stuff or hunting down drugs or explosives. I go here, Sweetwater and some other music stores, pretty much all VST sites and youtube. What could they possibly track? I think they do it so when you search for sites it keeps it geared to your interests. Unless there's something else I should know about. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding the premiss of the tracking. Mike
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 11:36:47
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It does sort of surprise me as well about the fact that Roland attaches their name to this, not that this is anything against either company. Roland is pretty impressive with its forward-thinking (at least, historically). Roland's investment in Cakewalk tells me that we should expect some better improvements in product lines in the near future.
With that said, yes, if Roland is invested in Cakewalk, then the forum version upgrade should have been a no-brainer. I can't speak for Roland or Cakewalk, but someone may have made a conscious decision not to upgrade the forum software.
Now is a good time to revisit this. It's Q1 of 2013, when most new budgets are in play. Two things I want to see from Cakewalk as a result: 1) Spend more time and money to better test and squash bugs before the software (Sonar) hits the shelves, and 2) Upgrade the forum. I personally don't need "new" features. I want the bug-squashing to actually catch up to the innovation for once.
I think the state of Sonar with all the bugs, especially the long standing ones, and the state of the forum software, are a good indication of how things are run there. I've always wondered if there is a revolving team of people that work on Sonar's code that just move on after a couple of years and someone else picks up the ball and is left to deal with the code issues, and that's why bugs don't get resolved. You know what I mean, too many chef's spoil the pot type of thing. Cakewalk and Roland have been teamed up for quite a few years now, I doubt you're going to see anything change.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 11:39:05
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@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software.
I don't recall that being the reason they couldn't or wouldn't upgrade the forum software. I must have missed that response.
I do remember someone from CW saying they had plans on doing something about the forum software but it must be on the same update list as V-Vocal.
I'm not 100% sure if Randy said it was free to Cakewalk, but I'm 95% sure, but again, I could be wrong. I am 100% though. sure that they can't update it because they have customized it beyond the point where it can't be patched. I'll see if I can find Randy's thread and post a link. Now you got me wondering if I'm remembering this right or not. :)
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 11:58:07
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It does sort of surprise me as well about the fact that Roland attaches their name to this, not that this is anything against either company. Roland is pretty impressive with its forward-thinking (at least, historically). Roland's investment in Cakewalk tells me that we should expect some better improvements in product lines in the near future.
With that said, yes, if Roland is invested in Cakewalk, then the forum version upgrade should have been a no-brainer. I can't speak for Roland or Cakewalk, but someone may have made a conscious decision not to upgrade the forum software.
Now is a good time to revisit this. It's Q1 of 2013, when most new budgets are in play. Two things I want to see from Cakewalk as a result: 1) Spend more time and money to better test and squash bugs before the software (Sonar) hits the shelves, and 2) Upgrade the forum. I personally don't need "new" features. I want the bug-squashing to actually catch up to the innovation for once.
I think the state of Sonar with all the bugs, especially the long standing ones, and the state of the forum software, are a good indication of how things are run there.
I've always wondered if there is a revolving team of people that work on Sonar's code that just move on after a couple of years and someone else picks up the ball and is left to deal with the code issues, and that's why bugs don't get resolved. You know what I mean, too many chef's spoil the pot type of thing.
Cakewalk and Roland have been teamed up for quite a few years now, I doubt you're going to see anything change.
Yes, I agree. I can't speak to the actual employment landscape there, but they're going to be feature-rich with bugs, or feature-less with stability at this price-point and I'm sure the priority lays with bringing something big and new to every trade show. (Sorry I changed the subject but, ) My opinion has been that I would pay $800 - $1,200 for Sonar, if Cakewalk would produce a version that has either direct Dev version support, or goes through a much more rigorous and extended resource/hardware/driver base to better test and squash bugs, even long-standing. The current method of bug-reporting/tracking isn't what I would have hoped. Most of them aren't, though.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 12:17:46
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Doesn't matter if it's been patched and customized - all the posts exist in a database which could theoretically be converted and ported to a brand new forum, if they wanted. I'm pretty sure an experienced coder could write a script to do it. It might cost Cakewalk a couple of grand (wild guess) but since this forum is a huge part of the Sonar community and has been intstrumental in attracting people to Sonar as a DAW (Beepster comes to mind) then I would think it's a jolly good investment.
The only real problem as I see it is having to close the forum down for a day or two so that no new posts are made while the transfer is done. But I'm sure we're all adult enough to go without for that long....right?
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 12:31:45
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@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software.
I don't recall that being the reason they couldn't or wouldn't upgrade the forum software. I must have missed that response.
I do remember someone from CW saying they had plans on doing something about the forum software but it must be on the same update list as V-Vocal.
I'm not 100% sure if Randy said it was free to Cakewalk, but I'm 95% sure, but again, I could be wrong.
I am 100% though. sure that they can't update it because they have customized it beyond the point where it can't be patched.
I'll see if I can find Randy's thread and post a link. Now you got me wondering if I'm remembering this right or not. :)
You are correct that it was a free upgrade and that wasn't questioned. I just didn't remember the reason they didn't update and I did remember there was something said about something in the works. Whatever that something in the works was, I didn't notice any changes. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 13:39:16
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So, long-story short, it looks like there is a "planned" fix/update in the works, but it's been a while. I'm betting they're pretty overloaded right now with bug reports and the like, especially with the added Windows 8 enhancements.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 13:57:02
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@Twaddle: Randy Bowser, a forum member who I haven't seen here in a long time, contacted ASPPlayground also a couple of years ago. The forum software can't be updated because it was customized by Cakewalk. If I remember correctly, they were offered a free upgrade but couldn't install it because of the customizations they have done to the current software.
I don't recall that being the reason they couldn't or wouldn't upgrade the forum software. I must have missed that response.
I do remember someone from CW saying they had plans on doing something about the forum software but it must be on the same update list as V-Vocal.
I'm not 100% sure if Randy said it was free to Cakewalk, but I'm 95% sure, but again, I could be wrong.
I am 100% though. sure that they can't update it because they have customized it beyond the point where it can't be patched.
I'll see if I can find Randy's thread and post a link. Now you got me wondering if I'm remembering this right or not. :)
You are correct that it was a free upgrade and that wasn't questioned. I just didn't remember the reason they didn't update and I did remember there was something said about something in the works.
Whatever that something in the works was, I didn't notice any changes.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
No problem. You got me thinking if I was remembering wrong or not, that's all. I did remember right on all of it ... Here's one of the links where an Admin confirms it's been customized beyond the point of being able to apply a patch. And in the same thread it is confirmed that the patch to make it work is free but it can't be applied because of the customizations, and there is plans in the works to get new forum software. http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2426388
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 14:00:32
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Sometimes you can work yourself into a corner....oops.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 19:53:56
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 22:33:40
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That'd be like trusting google to not collect other informtion while it's filming the planet...
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 22:54:33
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HATE HATE HATE the forum software these days. (And I used to "live here".) On Firefox 18.0.1, even though I ALWAYS click "save my credentials as a cookie", I have to sign in at every "first launch". NO other websites refuse to save my sign-in. And when in Firefox, it refuses to recognize carriage returns. Using HTML page breaks is my only recourse. IE - forget about it. Freezes constantly, doesn't allow me to reply to posts, just a non-starter. And I don't want to use Chrome. Frankly, a potential new user who wants to check out the forum before deciding to spend $$ on Sonar might just walk away. I am sure that it has lost Cake $$. Really frustrating sometimes. GET WITH IT, CAKE! (PS, it used to work perfectly ... kinda like Sonar 8.x) PS, if this appears as one block paragraph, DON'T BLAME ME.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 22:55:54
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Even when I use the forum in Chrome and it sort of works kind of well, I hate it. It's so Web 1.0 
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 22:58:50
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HATE HATE HATE the forum software these days. (And I used to "live here".) On Firefox 18.0.1, even though I ALWAYS click "save my credentials as a cookie", I have to sign in at every "first launch". NO other websites refuse to save my sign-in. And when in Firefox, it refuses to recognize carriage returns. Using HTML page breaks is my only recourse. IE - forget about it. Freezes constantly, doesn't allow me to reply to posts, just a non-starter. And I don't want to use Chrome. Frankly, a potential new user who wants to check out the forum before deciding to spend $$ on Sonar might just walk away. I am sure that it has lost Cake $$. Really frustrating sometimes. GET WITH IT, CAKE! (PS, it used to work perfectly ... kinda like Sonar 8.x) PS, if this appears as one block paragraph, DON'T BLAME ME.
I've found that a few sites constantly log me out even though I check whatever option there is to stay signed in. Gmail is one of them. I'm forever having to enter my freakin' 20 character password because it's just randomly signed me out without me telling it to. It's my computer, my email account, my responsibility, just keep me signed in! Let's face it, the entire web is full of bugs and design flaws and annoyances.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/22 23:20:42
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I am very happy with Opera. It works just fine here and elsewhere.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/23 09:28:55
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John's right. Opera is ok with this forum. I'm not having any issues with the forum in Opera. That said, Opera is such an obscure browser, that many don't use it, and it's a discounting of customer-base to require them to download, install, and use browsers like Opera for one forum. It's not a win for the Roland/Cakewalk customers.
Opera IS a good browser, though. In fact, and I cringe to say this, it's great for Torrenting, something Cakewalk would want to sway people away from.
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/23 09:45:28
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I prefer to use FireFox, but don't want to have to go back to Version 5 to get the formatting abilities
You said it all just there, There is nothing wrong with the forum, it works perfectly in IE and used to work perfectly in FireFox untill they changed FireFox...
It is the job of a web browser to acurately display the contents of web sites. If it doesn't then it's not the fault of the web site.
What are you basing this statement off of? It's always the developer's job to keep up with how browsers are working and walk that thin line of making things works more-or-less as intended across all of them without having things break down entirely. It's the job of the website to work as intended across all current (and most legacy) browsers. If Cakewalk has outdated software that works poorly in 2 or more current browsers, it's time to update or move on to a forum package that works for the user-base. I have to manually enter linebreaks in FF. It works fine if I do. It won't quote anyone's messages though. This is not the user's fault. I do not expect that everyone will know to do this. I use Firebug in FF constantly for my job, so I use FF. Comfortable for me. It doesn't matter if you use Safari, Chrome, IE7-10.... it should work mostly as intended. If it doesn't, it's not the user's fault unless the user has a seriously outdated browser (IE7 is starting to get there).
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Re:Cakewalk Forum version
2013/01/23 09:46:58
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I would think the quality of the forum software would be a factor is someone making a decision to buy/upgrade their music software. Cakewalk needs to take the plunge and upgrade their forum software.
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