Cakewalk, PLEASE, DON'T ever MESS "our" SONAR with Apple's OS (and their policies...)...

So you don't want Sonar to go up one on Apple and start marketing at Babies R Us?

+10 on your post!! I hope it continues on keeping its course and maintains Sonar as a professional product. 

gothic.angel

   
IMO, We, SONAR owners, wouldn't like to see our chosen DAW reduced on a system whose new factory's prior targets have become kids and Yuppies playing with expensive "i-games".

I respectfully disagree with this statement.

First, because it seems like you assume to be speaking for all of us.

Second, because that's just simply an inaccurate description of Mac pro-audio users. Sure, there are plenty of i-games folks on Macs, but there are plenty of pros and wanna-be pros on Macs, and a HUGE market of potential customers of creative amateurs and professionals alike.

Every filmmaker I know uses a Mac. Every one. Half the pro DJs I know use Macs. Over half the pro studios I know use Macs. Over half the professional producers I know use Macs. It's a valid, professional market with a ton of creative people making music, and Cakewalk should always be aware of the appropriate markets and competition.

There are plenty of pros out there using ProTools, Logic, Digital Performer, Live, and many others on Macs and frankly Cakewalk would be grossly negligent to its shareholders if it at least didn't do a feasibility study of what they can port/develop over to the OSX platform. The marketshare has increased percentage-wise (for good or ill) and if you watch trends, you'd be missing a lot of potential opportunity if you didn't try to take that into account.

Having said that, I don't believe it's possible (or likely smart) for Cakewalk to spend resources trying to port the existing Sonar codebase over to the Mac platform, from what I understand of it (and I'm not an insider by any means). Sonar is so Windows-centric and most likely steeped in vast amounts of Windows-specific code, I just don't see a Sonar port ever happening. Rather, if they did it, I imagine it would be on top of a brand new cross-platform library/core code for a brand new product. So it may or may not ever happen, due to the vast amount of investment they'd have to do.

And also, if they did it, they wouldn't be idiots about it, so why the worry? They'd have the proper budget, development infrastructure and teams in place to do it right. No CEO worth his/her salt would ever proceed otherwise, especially in such a competitive market. Also, they'd be doing it not because they're chasing a fad of silly i-whatever users, they'd do it because they plan on MAKING MONEY. That's the whole point of a business. To sell products to a market and make a profit. They wouldn't do it for fun or for charity. They have to pay bills, salaries.

Frankly, I think Cakewalk might HAVE to consider something like this for the next generation beyond Sonar. Several superb DAW apps are now cross-platform and the business opportunity may (or may not) be sitting right there in front of them.

Add to all that, the fact that Roland is not platform-dependent. They have a vested interest as well. So while their competitors such as Yamaha and to a lesser extent, Presonus, already have cross-platform apps, Roland does not. And look at what Live has accomplished in such a short lifespan. In Europe, it is HUGE from what I understand, a lot of plugin developers are using that now as one of the key plugin-compatibility testing platforms. The World is the market here, not just good ol' USA.

And also, if Cakewalk DOES decide to develop more Mac products (keep in mind it already has a couple of Mac products, if you're not aware!), that doesn't by default mean they're stealing important resources from Windows development.

On a personal note, while I'm a Windows user, and chose Windows over Mac for many reasons,  I have no problem whatsoever if Cakewalk decides to develop for Macs. Frankly, it might be a good thing in the long run, if they have a good game plan and proper investment/budget. It's nothing to fear, and posts like yours, especially when they seem to try to speak for all of us, just perpetuate a divide in the computer world. For me, it's about getting the best products on a professional, stable platform that works great for my projects. You can accomplish that on Windows or Macs. Who cares about petty disputes between platforms any more? I hope we're way beyond that now, and just need to encourage our developers to develop the best product possible so we can produce music the best way we can.

And on a practical level, even if you never deal with the Mac version of Sonar's offspring, a Mac version might make working with Apple-based filmmakers and producers, for example, much more smooth... even for Windows-only users. It might actually *improve* things, unify things to a degree we haven't seen before. And if it makes Sonar more competitive in all markets, it would also make the company more stable. Again, a win-win scenario.

Just my two bits. :)

Best, James

eratu's post above should be turned into a STICKY and should be made mandatory reading for anyone intending to make any "Mac/PC" posts.

Nice one Sir.

Apple already has a better DAW than Sonar. It's Sonar users that want Sonar ported to OSX not OSX users.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk ]

10Ten Apple already has a better DAW than Sonar. It's Sonar users that want Sonar ported to OSX not OSX users.

So you're using Logic then?

Owned Cakewalk Pro, then moved to Logic and then went back when Apple bought Emagic. The only reason why I didn't stay with Logic is because PCs were better at the time. That has ended, but I'm still not a fan of Apple OSes. Don't get me wrong, Sonar is a decent product but it has way too many bugs and strange quirks that make it damn near impossible to be efficient.

10Ten

 Don't get me wrong, Sonar is a decent product but it has way too many bugs and strange quirks that make it damn near impossible to be efficient.

10Ten, perhaps you should goto the beginers forum, could be a setup problem

Mesh

10Ten Apple already has a better DAW than Sonar. It's Sonar users that want Sonar ported to OSX not OSX users.

If so, then why reply/complain at so many threads here in the Sonar forum? Wouldn't your time be better spent in other forums praising those "other" software's you use? Or are you just in a bad mood today and venting out? It's ok....things will get better (after you RTM).....(((((Sonar Hug)))))))    

Reading is fundamental.

Every filmmaker I know uses a Mac. Every one
      ---- I would say 90% uses a  Mac
 
 
Half the pro DJs I know use Macs.

 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 .. I can contest to that statement .. I would say 95% of club Dj's Use Mac. not half.. the few that do , aren't making the ching yet, and when they do they will switch..  Its a matter of time..
 I would never spin a live show with my dell laptop. never.. Macbook pro ONLY<< Thats just me.. I have tried my Traktor Pro on my dell and only had problems. never ever again..  And I personally know many top dj's and none use a PC. I dont know one dj that spins clubs that use's a pc laptop to dj..
 The main reason why there's even a disscusion is because apple cost more money, If you can buy a Mac for the same price as a pc , you would think different,..LOL Think different.. Ture statement..
 BUt we all know Sonar wont port to Mac.. it will never happen , its wishfull thinking .
And I do agree with you guys Fix all the bugs before anything.  
 

djjhart@aol.com

    .. I can contest to that statement .. I would say 95% of club Dj's Use Mac. not half.. the few that do , aren't making the ching yet, and when they do they will switch..  Its a matter of time..
 I would never spin a live show with my dell laptop. never.. Macbook pro ONLY<< Thats just me.. I have tried my Traktor Pro on my dell and only had problems. never ever again..  And I personally know many top dj's and none use a PC. I dont know one dj that spins clubs that use's a pc laptop to dj..
 The main reason why there's even a disscusion is because apple cost more money, If you can buy a Mac for the same price as a pc , you would think different,..LOL Think different.. Ture statement..
 BUt we all know Sonar wont port to Mac.. it will never happen , its wishfull thinking .
And I do agree with you guys Fix all the bugs before anything.  
 

My friend, you speak about djs....  while Kraftwerk (!!!) on their last tour played LIVE with four PCs (Sony Vaio)... and Depeche Mode (!!!!!!!!!) recorded their whole last tour's gigs on PC running SAMPLITUDE (sequoia)....
 
Stop legends and myths... REALITY is different..!!! PCs are configurable and most powerful than any Apple's toy out there...!!!! 

Every filmmaker I know uses a Mac. Every one. I'm figuring you must know at least one, then. Half the pro DJs I know use Macs. You'd have to know at least two to make that statement. Unless, it's only one and (s)he works exactly 50/50 Mac/PC. Over half the professional producers I know use Macs. I'll conclude you know three minimum. And maybe they are just the above 2 or 3 people?

bapu the statistician. Scary.

The average number of legs per person is less than two, too.

There is nothing special whatsoever about a MAC Pro. It's a standardized PC that runs MAC OSX.

Intel processors, Nvidia and ATI graphics (depending on what you choose) - sounds a lot like a PC to me.

Top that off with no off the shelf option for things like SSD (probably due to lack of Trim support in OSX) and it would really be hard to make a case to any informed person that a Mac Pro is somehow a superior computer to a well built PC (i.e. standardized PC running Windows vs OSX).

Funny -


before the year 2000 and beyond were there these types of wars with tape machines or mixing boards.

I think the question before then was how many tracks -

did any one care if it was a tascam reel to reel - or fostex - or ....... sony - or ..... whatever brand tape machine

they made good songs/albums  - and I dunno of any who said - - Oh I can tell that was done on a 16 track fostex 1200xlzw - the best - using memorex tape

sonar was the first DAW I ever learned - - I liked it - and it was better than my old tascam 4 track from 1986 - and better than my fostex digital 8 track from 1998 -


so for now thats what I like -


the future - (shrugs)

I dunno what's going to happen at 9pm tonight let alone what I am going to be recording on in 2-10 years

dr.hash


...His apple macs and his products are just rubbish.  Its turned our world into, i must have the imac, the ipad and the iphone. 
..This sounds like a monoply to me and i think this is just one step away from nazisim...  ...
....  I am amazed at my new i5 and Sonar 8.5.  Running at 64 bit floating point 88k 10 virtual instrumenmts, 5 of then dim pro and effects.  I am only just hitting the wall and i am not using second hard drive.
 
Sonar Forever, Protools Never
Peace and Love The Doctor

Thanks (no kidding...) ...we need people like You... hold on mate...!!!

I'm getting my popcorn.

Be right back.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

There is nothing special whatsoever about a MAC Pro. It's a standardized PC that runs MAC OSX.

Intel processors, Nvidia and ATI graphics (depending on what you choose) - sounds a lot like a PC to me.

Top that off with no off the shelf option for things like SSD (probably due to lack of Trim support in OSX) and it would really be hard to make a case to any informed person that a Mac Pro is somehow a superior computer to a well built PC (i.e. standardized PC running Windows vs OSX).

I kinda thought the parts were more expensive than they are, but 2 2.26 Xeons and a board for them is still a serious chunk of change.