Cakewalk TTS-1 problem

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2013/10/27 05:02:41 (permalink)

Cakewalk TTS-1 problem

I don't really use TTS-1 very much but someone came over the other day and I had to and instantly ran into a problem;
I had a blank project and inserted a TTS-1. If I play from my midi controller and hit relatively fast repeating notes, they get cut off. Polyphony has no effect, I can get it with just one note; play a central C, and with as short a break as you can make in between, play another one and hold it. For me, it cuts off, like it receives the original note-off AFTER the new note-on. Can anyone reproduce?
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    robert_e_bone
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/27 08:33:14 (permalink)
    I have not seen that - but that does not mean it's not there.
     
    After some much-needed coffee, I will play around with testing this out in an hour or so, and will post back my results.
     
    What midi note events are being recorded when you do this?  Is it actually being fed the multiple notes?
     
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/27 09:07:10 (permalink)
    For whatever the worth, one of my controllers exhibits this problem without even dealing with TTS-1.
     
    One of my controllers is a cheap Yamaha YPG-235, which I use mainly when doing piano parts, due to its 76-note keyboard.  When just using local sounds, if I trigger a short note immediately followed by additional short notes, it seems to play them all pretty well.  If, however, I play in the manner you described in your post, with a short note followed by a held note, it quite frequently will then not play them as two separate notes.  That makes no sense, but indeed that is what it does.  My better controller does not have this issue.  In MY situation, it seems like an issue with the action of the keys.
     
    Just wondering if something like this could be occurring for your situation.  What happens if you do the exact same technique using a different soft synth?
     
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/27 11:03:52 (permalink)
    Other softsynths are fine. Also, to be clear, I do get two separate notes, but the softsynth cuts off the second note instead of holding it, so even though I'm holding down the key at the second note I get two staccato notes. I tried increasing the midi buffer since it has been suggested for different issues on here, but it makes no difference.
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/27 11:37:59 (permalink)
    Thanks for clarifying.
     
    I have to run out the door and do something with my son (It's my birthday), and I will play around with this when I get back this afternoon.
     
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/28 06:22:25 (permalink)
    Bump. Nobody else has seen this? Bakers? 
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/28 09:58:30 (permalink)
    I have a single errand to run at the moment that will literally take less than 10 minutes, then I PROMISE I will play around with this and post back.
     
    I had to get up at 3:30 this morning and that was a BRUTAL morning - all better now.
     
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/28 11:50:31 (permalink)
    I cannot reproduce it. I just dropped in TTS-1 into a new project as a simple instrument track and tried several variations and no issues. I *believe* that the TTS-1 always inserts in its default setup and it must be configured from there (I rarely use it, so not sure); so barring tweaking it in any way I cannot replicate what you are describing.
     
    Is the Poly showing you all the keys you are hitting?

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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/28 13:06:37 (permalink)
    OP, do you happen to have your controller connected to your PC by both MIDI DIN and USB ports? If so, choose one or the other and/or set the track input to a single port and channel, rather than Omni (all channels on all ports). If that doesn't get it, there may be something going on with your controller, despite the fact you're not seeing a problem with other synths; what is it?
     
    Also, did you happen to add an MIDI FX to the track? I've had weird issues with delayed/cut-off notes when using the MIDI Event Filter.

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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/28 13:15:11 (permalink)
    It's a complete vanilla insert in an otherwise empty project. My controller is a simple Roland RD170 stage piano. It doesn't produce this behavior with other hardware or software synths nor with its own internal sound engine. It's hooked up via my E-MU 1820Ms front midi port, which has never given me any issues no matter which device I hook up. It doesn't have USB.
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/28 13:39:35 (permalink)
    Is there anything interesting in the event list? Size of gap between notes? Other events? Duplicated notes? How about if you hold down a key other than the experimental key while you run the original experiment. Anything different happen?
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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/28 13:48:47 (permalink)
    Hmmm... I dunno. I have an RD-700NX, and an old RD-300s. The RD-300s sends CC123, All Notes Off, at last key up which causes trouble with some VSTis that don't handle it properly in connection with sustain (e.g. NI Akoustic and Alicia's Keys), but TTS-1 is not affected. And newer Roland keyboards don't send it any more. Nevertheless, you should try running a MIDI port monitor like MIDI-OX on your input port, and make sure the keyboard isn't sending anything odd.
     
    I also used to run an 1820M, and its MIDI ports were the fastest (PCI-based) I've ever used so that shouldn't be a problem.
     
    MIDI buffering shouldn't be an issue, either, as it's not active when you're playing live. It only affects buffering audio from soft synths driven by recorded MIDI.
     
    Sure sounds like something going on specifically with TTS-1, but I can't imagine what that would be. This affects all patches?
     
    P.S. I've tried all kind of combinations of both RDs sending simultaneously on multiple channels with the TTS-1 receiving All Ports Omni, and I can't produce anything unexpected. The last held note always continues to sustain unless one keyboard sends a Note Off while the other one is holding the same note number, which makes perfect sense but should not be possible with input from only one controller.
     
     
     
     
    post edited by brundlefly - 2013/10/28 14:03:27

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    Re: Cakewalk TTS-1 problem 2013/10/28 13:57:01 (permalink)
    I'll see if I can record a very simple example and post it.
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