munmun
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Cakewalk needs to get with the program
I have a desktop on which I have Sonar, email, facebook ... general purpose usage and also music recording. I recently bought myself an iPad and it is amazing how my usage has changed. I barely use the desktop. Just for music recording and some iTunes stuff. I now have Garage Band on my iPad and am using it to make demos. Garage Band is quite mickey mouse but good for quick song ideas. As tablets get more powerful, it is likely that we will eventually have our DAW's loaded into them and use our hands to control knobs, etc on the screen. It is also quite like that much like today, Apple will retain a huge dominance of the tablet market. Windows will become a secondary player as desktops and laptops get eclipsed by tablets. So I want to use Sonar on a tablet of the future. That tablet is likely going to have the Apple brand on it. So what are we doing about this Cakewalk?
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:04:43
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That tablet is likely going to have the Apple brand on it. - In the name of Jesus, I rebuke the demon that put this presumption in your mind!
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:08:18
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I kind of doubt it, myself. Apple's design direction for iOS is clearly with productivity and content creation very much as a secondary purpose. The kind of powerhouse tablet you describe strikes me as very un-Apple.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:10:55
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I don't think desktops are going to be eclipsed as such, either. I think we're just starting to see a fairly fundamental design branching between computers for entertainment and everyday use, and computers for more substantial tasks. One of the very smart things about the iPad is that they'd recognised that the average customer has been being offered computers that are wildly over-specced for their needs for several years now.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:14:18
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munmun- as much as I respect your opinion,we are polar opposites. I would never touch an ipad for in depth music making and editing. For the DJ or the recordist on the road trying to put a few ideas down I can see a use for it. Maybe as a synthesizer or midi instrument. But never as my main rig....just never. Win7 has had touch screen capability for some time now,so it is there if we want it. I don't see Apple getting any kind of market dominance outside of small devices.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:24:08
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:32:02
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For me - no interest. To ask what is cake doing about this like it's a problem is a stretch. It's appears to me, cake is trying to redefine their footprint in the pro ranks with X1. Not likely we'll see X1, Cubase, Logic, Protools, etc. taking this route.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:32:24
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Hey Daryl, A cool idea man! But I sit and look at two large screen monitors right now. It's gonna be a hard sell for me. I still like tactile.....
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:37:01
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daryl1968 Starise You have obviously not seen this - this will dominate the market http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA It will Daryl When I saw "onion" I knew it was coming but it was still funnier than most things. Thanks very much for the link.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:44:30
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Actually, I'm looking at getting an iPad to use as a sketch pad for song ideas. Would be great to have a Sonar app that would allow me to come up with basic ideas on my iPad, then transfer them in to my home set up to flesh out and finish. NI's Maschine has this, why not Cakewalk? munmun, you should try nano studio. I've heard great things about it. I understand it's a very usable creation tool. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIl8tG_dmt8
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munmun
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:46:00
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samson7842 Actually, I'm looking at getting an iPad to use as a sketch pad for song ideas. Would be great to have a Sonar app that would allow me to come up with basic ideas on my iPad, then transfer them in to my home set up to flesh out and finish. NI's Maschine has this, why not Cakewalk? munmun, you should try nano studio. I've heard great things about it. I understand it's a very usable creation tool. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIl8tG_dmt8 Exactly. Will check it out.
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munmun
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:47:46
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munmun samson7842 Actually, I'm looking at getting an iPad to use as a sketch pad for song ideas. Would be great to have a Sonar app that would allow me to come up with basic ideas on my iPad, then transfer them in to my home set up to flesh out and finish. NI's Maschine has this, why not Cakewalk? munmun, you should try nano studio. I've heard great things about it. I understand it's a very usable creation tool. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIl8tG_dmt8 Exactly. Will check it out. Cool ap.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 14:57:07
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Lanceindastudio
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:00:02
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lol that troll wheel on that apple will not dominate the market hahaha
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:09:30
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have you ever tried to make fine adjustments with a touchscreen?..it doesnt happen..as much as i love my touchpad ipad,i wouldnt dare say lets make a professional recording with it..now i know you mean sometime in the future,but im thinking more like george jettson future..a 100 years.when i can tell my ipad to shut up and cook my chciken pot pie !
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:18:57
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:21:34
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Cakewalk could possibly come up with a lighter version or something in the lines of X1 Essential for the iPad if the demand for it is there. You're right that the iPad will keep improving and advancing but for it to catch up with today's current DAW system requirements - it's going to be a while. An iPad IMOO is not a 100% replacement for a laptop. Just ask Bitfliper, he can't play his DVDs on his. Laptops will be around for another decade or more and desktops will never phase out. There are too many professionals that rely on and use desktops not to mention gamers. The best thing you can get out of Cakewalk now, like I mentioned is a cut down version of X1 to work with the processing and memory limitations of an iPad. But even if that happens, you're still very limited on what you can connect and do with that iPad.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:21:48
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Jind
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:24:19
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I feel a tablet can be a wonderful tool utilized for many functions in a studio in both utilitarian and creative ways, but I think we are a long way (emphasizing LONG) from it becoming the de facto replacement to the desktop Digital Audio Workstation. Will popular music be created on a tablet in the near future - I'm sure it will, but we are still far from it being the optimal choice. Given the fact that as a child I really hoped we would be living in the "Jetson's" world by now, I'm not holding my breath that the music recording industry will make this revolutionary change overnight.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:33:25
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As tablets get more powerful, it is likely that we will eventually have our DAW's loaded into them and use our hands to control knobs, etc on the screen. It is also quite like that much like today, Apple will retain a huge dominance of the tablet market. Windows will become a secondary player as desktops and laptops get eclipsed by tablets. So I want to use Sonar on a tablet of the future. That tablet is likely going to have the Apple brand on it. Folks felt the same way about laptops...  Laptops have not eclipsed desktops. ie: A laptop that's a fast as a 3930k desktop will cost you the better part of $4000. It's going to be a good while yet before tablets (like the iPad) have enough horse-power to do anything close to what a typical Sandybridge desktop DAW can achieve. IOW, It's not going to happen in the next 12-24 months. You're talking in terms of years... In hardware terms, a period of several years can bring major change. Prior to iPhone and iPod, Apple was on the brink of going out of business. Microsoft is a *major* player in the PC market. It would be short-sighted to assume they'll not want a piece of the tablet market (if it grows as expected).
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:33:28
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I thought Sonar was a Windows-only platform? I'll wait until Android has something on this level, but I suspect the need for such a device is overblown. Most of my inspiration comes sitting behind a DAW. If I get inspiration elsewhere, leaving a voicemail with the melody or ditty isn't that hard.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 15:43:26
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Funny because I don't feel like I could do serious work on an iPad. But then again, 12-15 years ago, many were saying the same thing about desktop computers, either using them just for demos, or for midi sequencing while everything was recorded using ADAT or tape or whatever. I think tablets will be powerful "enough" - though obviously not as a dedicated tower or such. That gap will remain. When I see an iPad running 48 tracks of audio, I can't help but remember my humble beginnings on the PC w/ an almighty 8 tracks of audio. Of course, applications being what they are now, it's hard to imagine using a tablet to do everything. The software itself in't optimized for that. It's designed to work w/ a mouse and a keyboard. I used to say that I could never work w/ only a trackpad and needed a mouse - I hardly ever use one anymore. Worst when I plug it in, I find my hand drifting back to the trackpad all the time to do all those things which can only be done with the trackpad - pinch to zoom out and such... Navigating is just so much easier. I consider my DAW to be as close to working w/ a touch screen as I'd dare going now - because of the way functionalities are implemented in it - it already takes advantage of gestures. More than horsepower, it's the size of the screen that's likely to remain problematic. For the rest, well, you could always dock the iPad, use a keyboard w/ it, external HD and whatever... I don't think those things will disappear, they'll simply be less indispensable.
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 16:38:53
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As cool as it would be to have tablet sonar apps, I doubt there is much Sonar could do to " get wit hthe program" that was not purely gimmickry. The android platform does not work as well with sound and video apps as the ipad at this time. Even the essentials version of Sonar would run like molasses on an tablet. Third party developers are not exactly rushing to create android D.A.W. software.
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KeithS
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 16:45:55
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munmun As tablets get more powerful, it is likely that we will eventually have our DAW's loaded into them and use our hands to control knobs, etc on the screen. So I want to use Sonar on a tablet of the future. That tablet is likely going to have the Apple brand on it. So what are we doing about this Cakewalk? I sincerely doubt that the future holds powerful tablets that we load comples programs onto like we do with our desktops and laptops today. If anything, in my humble opinion, what we are heading for with tablets is a model where data storage and software are no longer something you purchase, but something you subscribe to. Microsoft has been talking for years about selling subscriptions to their software. I think we are right on the brink of our data storage and softare residing in the cloud with tablets having just enough storage to accomodate the operating system. Our monthly subscription fees will be the next cashcow for the software companies. I think we are still going to have a need for some powerful desktop computers though.
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samson7842
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 16:59:29
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I don't expect full functionality. Some basic sequencing and an audio track or three would be perfect. Just let me make a hot drum beat, add some keys, bass, strings and a dummy vocal. Get it home and import it all into Sonar and make it a full blown song. Given the iPad's specs, I don't see how that'd be very hard to do at all. I get inspired very easy when I'm out and about. It would be great to have something I can get some ideas down on at the drop of a hat. Here is NI's Maschine iPad app in action. A Sonar app would give me, yet another reason, to not have to interact with another human being. ...lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhSNwChdaWM&feature=relmfu
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 17:03:26
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lmao!!! the vocals are not going to sound like that hahahaha
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 17:03:27
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lmao!!! the vocals are not going to sound like that hahahaha
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 17:08:00
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Lanceindastudio lmao!!! the vocals are not going to sound like that hahahaha
LMCAO!!!!!! I would expect to redo the vocals. Can you imagine all the nice from the iPad mic? ...lol
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
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Re:Cakewalk needs to get with the program
2012/03/28 17:15:37
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Here are two old problems with computing power that haven't been solved yet, and are a major challenge to tablet devices: 1) Music production via DAW will still require lots of inputs for external equipment: keyboard controllers, drum controllers, interfaces, etc.. That sweet iPad form factor won't be so sweet with about a dozen USB jacks along the edges. If all you are doing is swiping loops around a la Garage Band you're okay. Wanna hook up a control surface, keyboard, interface, external storage, multiple monitors, etc and you're either SOL or looking at some sort of docking setup that negates the tablet's physical form advantage. 2) Also, don't forget why desktops are in fat boxes: heat. Processing power creates heat. Put it in a tablet and you're going to roast your thighs. Then the iPad melts and fails. That said, whenever I see someone fiddling around with an iPad I can't help but stare and envy....
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