xabiton
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Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
I think if they offered public beta testing that it might help reduce the frusteration so many people have with the software by fixing many of the issues at beta time and then releasing a great candidate and after that would probably only require one or two patches and would leave a lot of Sonar users feeling much happier. Other DAWs offer beta testing why not offer it for Sonar?
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/15 22:18:04
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Frankly I am shocked that they don't! There are thousands of people out there who literally love filing bug reports (myself included). I just don't see what the down side is.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/15 22:18:09
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The early adopters are the beta testers.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/15 22:23:06
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I would be glad to put it to the test!
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/15 22:26:17
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/15 22:31:07
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skylightron
The early adopters are the beta testers.
That's the problem. Every other company worth their weight offers free beta testing.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/15 22:33:28
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rabeach
http://www.cakewalk.com/beta/forms/default.aspx
Good to see glad that its not out in the open and more of a open public thing. With all of the reported issues maybe they should invite more beta testers to be apart of this. I personally want to see Sonar be the best DAW on the planet for everyone. I am campaigning for a better Sonar!
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 00:19:27
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Every other company worth their weight offers free beta testing. I wasn't aware that other DAW companies did that.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 00:36:08
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stevec
Every other company worth their weight offers free beta testing.
I wasn't aware that other DAW companies did that.
Yep most do. I think Cakewalk and Avid are the only ones that do not. Ableton's 64 bit version is a beta, Propellerhead does betas for every Reason release, Imageline has a beta going (and has for a while) for FL studio for Mac, Studio One had public beta testing and Bitwig is currently doing them too I believe. Its rare to see someone not offer one.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 01:26:12
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pro tools offers free beta testing?,cubase offers free beta testing?
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 02:54:10
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I am not sure if Cubase does or not. Pro Tools I know does not but naming one or two companies that do not when most of the other major daws do is not a real defense.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 03:21:44
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sharke
Frankly I am shocked that they don't! There are thousands of people out there who literally love filing bug reports (myself included). I just don't see what the down side is.
The change-log size prior to release? ;)
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 10:40:44
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I am not sure if Cubase does or not. Pro Tools I know does not but naming one or two companies that do not when most of the other major daws do is not a real defense. I'm very much in the habit of lumping SONAR in with ProTools, Cubase, Logic and DP, more so than Live or Reason (which was traditionally not a DAW). It's nice to see that some of the others do this, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it an "industry standard practice". Rather, it seems like something that newer DAW developers do. Nothing wrong with that though!
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 11:05:27
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They do, but you have to qualify for it. I applied once and never heard back from them. The application was not a simple form and so I've never reapplied.
I agree and I had suggested this when X1 was released (to mixed reviews) that Cakewalk should follow what Microsoft did with Windows 7 (and now 8), that is, letting people download a preview copy that allows people to comment on the new release and for them to collect information from crashes, etc. The end result was that Windows 7 was Microsoft's best OS ever. Windows 7 was successful because for once they listened to their customers. What a concept!
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 12:54:21
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With the number of user errors and free 3rd party VST plug-in issues being posted as bugs here, I can understand why they wouldn't want to sift through any more bug reports than they have to.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 13:01:08
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xabiton
stevec
Every other company worth their weight offers free beta testing.
I wasn't aware that other DAW companies did that.
Yep most do. I think Cakewalk and Avid are the only ones that do not. Ableton's 64 bit version is a beta, Propellerhead does betas for every Reason release, Imageline has a beta going (and has for a while) for FL studio for Mac, Studio One had public beta testing and Bitwig is currently doing them too I believe. Its rare to see someone not offer one.
Logic = nope. Pro Tools = nope. Cubase/Nuendo = nope. Studio One = restricted entries, so it isn't really unlimited free for all. Bitwig = Same as Studio One. Others, not sure. Totally public unlimited beta really are a thing of exception. The main difference between Cakewalk and a few others is that I haven't seen Cake announce that they were looking for Beta Testers at a specific moment. Except for things like Zeta for Mac. But you can always send them your application.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 13:36:37
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Beta testing is a time consuming endeavor. If you have 4 to 8 hours a day to give to cakewalk for several months and are able to articulate what you find in a manner that any engineer can understand what it is you have found I’m fairly sure cakewalk will accept your application as a beta tester if they have not secured the required quota of testers they have allocated for. It is not easy nor is it very much fun. And who has that much time to give for free these days unless you are between jobs or retired..
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 14:01:32
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Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
{tongueInCheek}
That's an amazing observation.
I'm surprised they have not thought of it before you brought it up.
{/tongueInCheek}
I find it odd that you did not realize that they do have Beta Testers. Cakewalk just doesn't have "public betas". And I'm 100% certain the Beta Testers are bound to secrecy as to their identities.
edit: only read the fred title. Sorry.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 14:27:00
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Public beta-tests work. There's never a shortage of volunteers at least for the ones I've been involved with. It's kind of cool as well when you report a bug and it gets fixed it makes it feel like you have something invested in the product and somebody cares about your input. The more worthwhile your input it seems the earlier you get the test versions too. Companies that adopt a policy of public betas obviously take note of who is contributing positively. I'm always bound to an NDA and stick by it, but when the product hits the shelves there's no secrets anyway. It just stops some of the frustrations that early adopters end up having to confront. I've not come across a downside. I don't mind the good people here paying to do it though, I can always jump in if/when I feel the quality is high enough at the appropiate *FREE* bugfix update time. As for totally open public betas is there even such a thing? All of them require you to apply and you get called in somewhere down the line, at what point is often dependant on whether you've contributed to one before, that's true of all companies that provide them. So certainly Studio One and Bitwig do public betas in any known sense of the idea. Also, whatever product category somebody wants to put Reason in, the bottom line it is one of the most robust software products out of the box at release time there is. That is the whole point.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/08/16 14:47:44
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 14:48:40
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Jonbouy
Public beta-tests work.
There's never a shortage of volunteers at least for the ones I've been involved with. It's kind of cool as well when you report a bug and it gets fixed it makes it feel like you have something invested in the product and somebody cares about your input. The more worthwhile your input it seems the earlier you get the test versions too. Companies that adopt a policy of public betas obviously take note of who is contributing positively.
I'm always bound to an NDA and stick by it, but when the product hits the shelves there's no secrets anyway. It just stops some of the frustrations that early adopters end up having to confront. I've not come across a downside.
I don't mind the good people here paying to do it though, I can always jump in if/when I feel the quality is high enough at the appropiate *FREE* bugfix update time.
As for totally open public betas is there even such a thing? All of them require you to apply and you get called in somewhere down the line, at what point is often dependant on whether you've contributed to one before, that's true of all companies that provide them. So certainly Studio One and Bitwig do public betas. Also, whatever product category somebody wants to put Reason in, the bottom line it is one of the most robust software products out of the box at release time there is. That is the whole point.
Assuming separating the wheat from the chaff becomes more difficult as the number of testers reporting increases my guess would be that the required resources not yet in play at cakewalk to public beta test. edit...I'm assuming we are talking about open and closed beta testing.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 14:49:59
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bapu
Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
{tongueInCheek}
That's an amazing observation.
I'm surprised they have not thought of it before you brought it up.
{/tongueInCheek}
I find it odd that you did not realize that they do have Beta Testers. Cakewalk just doesn't have "public betas". And I'm 100% certain the Beta Testers are bound to secrecy as to their identities.
That's just because you're Bapu and he did realize they have beta testers. Bapu try harder...Mr Tongue in cheek. I'm telling Mooch about this, you see if I don't... 
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 14:51:10
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Jonbouy
bapu
Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
{tongueInCheek}
That's an amazing observation.
I'm surprised they have not thought of it before you brought it up.
{/tongueInCheek}
I find it odd that you did not realize that they do have Beta Testers. Cakewalk just doesn't have "public betas". And I'm 100% certain the Beta Testers are bound to secrecy as to their identities.
That's just because you're Bapu and he did realize they have beta testers.
Bapu try harder...Mr Tongue in cheek. I'm telling Mooch about this, you see if I don't...
He's already seen it I'm sure.  OK, I'd even admit that I misread posts sometimes
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 14:52:24
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Jonbouy
Public beta-tests work.
There's never a shortage of volunteers at least for the ones I've been involved with. It's kind of cool as well when you report a bug and it gets fixed it makes it feel like you have something invested in the product and somebody cares about your input. The more worthwhile your input it seems the earlier you get the test versions too. Companies that adopt a policy of public betas obviously take note of who is contributing positively.
I'm always bound to an NDA and stick by it, but when the product hits the shelves there's no secrets anyway. It just stops some of the frustrations that early adopters end up having to confront. I've not come across a downside.
I don't mind the good people here paying to do it though, I can always jump in if/when I feel the quality is high enough at the appropiate *FREE* bugfix update time.
As for totally open public betas is there even such a thing? All of them require you to apply and you get called in somewhere down the line, at what point is often dependant on whether you've contributed to one before, that's true of all companies that provide them. So certainly Studio One and Bitwig do public betas. Also, whatever product category somebody wants to put Reason in, the bottom line it is one of the most robust software products out of the box at release time there is. That is the whole point.
Assuming separating the wheat from the chaff becomes more difficult as the number of testers reporting increases my guess would be that the required resources not yet in play at cakewalk to public beta test.
It could be that, it could just be a matter of policy. Who knows? I'm just advocating public betas as being a good QA procedure I'm not trying to best guess any company reasoning, resources or policy.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 14:54:05
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bapu
Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
{tongueInCheek}
That's an amazing observation.
I'm surprised they have not thought of it before you brought it up.
{/tongueInCheek}
I find it odd that you did not realize that they do have Beta Testers. Cakewalk just doesn't have "public betas". And I'm 100% certain the Beta Testers are bound to secrecy as to their identities.
edit: only read the fred title. Sorry.
Sorry for not reading the content of the OP.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 14:55:35
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bapu
bapu
Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
{tongueInCheek}
That's an amazing observation.
I'm surprised they have not thought of it before you brought it up.
{/tongueInCheek}
I find it odd that you did not realize that they do have Beta Testers. Cakewalk just doesn't have "public betas". And I'm 100% certain the Beta Testers are bound to secrecy as to their identities.
edit: only read the fred title. Sorry.
Sorry for not reading the content of the OP.
And I want to apologize for making so many apologies in one fred. I just want EVERYONE to like me
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 15:41:55
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bapu
bapu
bapu
Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
{tongueInCheek}
That's an amazing observation.
I'm surprised they have not thought of it before you brought it up.
{/tongueInCheek}
I find it odd that you did not realize that they do have Beta Testers. Cakewalk just doesn't have "public betas". And I'm 100% certain the Beta Testers are bound to secrecy as to their identities.
edit: only read the fred title. Sorry.
Sorry for not reading the content of the OP.
And I want to apologize for making so many apologies in one fred.
I just want EVERYONE to like me
Sorry, apology not accepted....
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 15:44:50
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bapu
bapu
bapu
Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
{tongueInCheek}
That's an amazing observation.
I'm surprised they have not thought of it before you brought it up.
{/tongueInCheek}
I find it odd that you did not realize that they do have Beta Testers. Cakewalk just doesn't have "public betas". And I'm 100% certain the Beta Testers are bound to secrecy as to their identities.
edit: only read the fred title. Sorry.
Sorry for not reading the content of the OP.
And I want to apologize for making so many apologies in one fred.
I just want EVERYONE to like me
Sorry, apology not accepted....
What if I did it in 5/4 LIKE THIS ?
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 18:49:11
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Nice shameless plug...... 
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 21:10:30
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daveny5
They do, but you have to qualify for it. I applied once and never heard back from them. The application was not a simple form and so I've never reapplied.
Same here. In my case, they probably didn't want somebody who still works on a Windows XP platform.
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Re:Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.
2012/08/16 23:01:38
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am not sure if Cubase does or not. Pro Tools I know does not but naming one or two companies that do not when most of the other major daws do is not a real defense. You kind of shoot holes in your own premise. How many major DAW companies do you feel exist? It's not like there are 100 major DAW companies and only 2 do not offer it. Three of what are arguably the top 5 DAWs are listed. That seems to indicate that open beta testing for these companies is an exception rather than the rule. One reason they probably don't do it is to make a dent in piracy. Name me a company that does completely open beta tests and i'll show you a company who's beta is cracked and on the market before the final candidate is released. It's bad enough dealing with complaints on the product you release, but dealing with complaints from people using cracked beta versions is a nightmare.
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