I still do have to give this a nod though....with a little space clean up and the right TLC from the Bakers...we'll be in good shape. :)



-Danny

I'm still in love with this though and can't believe this is Reaper!  

I've done a project or two in Reaper and some of the user contributed skins are absolutely awesome.  Once again, in Reaper the Console displays as much or as little info as you need.  There are things that have to be monitored in real time and you need to see them.  Other things only need to be seen if you need to tweak them and they come up in a window with a right mouse click.

I use my sends to produce custom mixes for headphones.  I like to be able to see what the levels are set at for at least 5 sends.  Send panning is usually done later and not when I am in "stress mode" while tracking.  A well designed console view is ideal for tracking, IMHO.

Mod Bod

I would love a new CV based on vector graphics and not on bitmaps. This would allow for easy resizing without loosing detail. 

Yep, Samplitude scales to your window size.  Cakewalk needs to get on the ball with that.  Then again, that might be in conflict with this touch screen mentality that they seem to be fascinated with at this time.

True if they want to throw up their hands. However on tablets this is a common feature. 



BTW Dave it is great to see you back here where you belong. 

I still like the minimilist look





Of course, if you're doing everything in the box, I can understand needing to see more. 

I still like the big consoles though. Probably never own an SSL, but there are some sweet digital consoles out there now. Presonus makes a few..... would be nice if you could store your mix in the DAW (in this case capture) & it would play back all your fader movement & effects automation through the mixer. 

I mentioned before, I've pretty much forsaken computer DAWs in favor of my trusty old AW4416, which hasn't been so trusty lately. But that's what I want. A better AW4416. Well, the Roland machines were great, the VS2480 with it's video output, but still slow & puny compared to today's computers. 

Sandmännchen


Hi Dave,

it is the Dark Blue Mixer for Sequoia and Samplitude from Birdline Skins
http://skins.birdline.gr/screenshots/screenshots_dark_blue_v12.html

Thanks.  I've been trying to ignore the skins for Samplitude.  I got hooked on the skins for Reaper and I spent more time diddling with how it looked than using it.  

MC = Mackie Control. 

If thats true Danny don't you think that is rather paternalistic?

Liquid Sonar, Hm. I like it!

John


If thats true Danny don't you think that is rather paternalistic?

To be honest John, I'm not sure what to think of it. Though I'm probably not saying what was said correctly, I know when I read it, it bothered me. It was when X1 was first released and someone questioned why so many things we could do in 8.5 and below were no longer there. Colors, tool bars, you know all the options we used to have?
 
One of the Bakers made a comment that was somewhere along the lines of "you should be working on music, not spending loads of time tweaking."
 
It was something to that effect. I just remember being pretty upset when I read it because I sincerely don't think anyone should make that choice for me even if I'm taking it a bit more serious than it is. At the end of the day, we STILL don't have colors or customization back. 
 
In all honesty, even though I'm not down with the lack of colors and options in X2, it's still a good looking DAW. It's just that when I'm used to certain options being there that are just stripped away because someone thinks I should do music without worrying about the appearance of this DAW when I work on it for 16 hours....and they make a statement like that...it's just the wrong thing to say to me.
 
I love choices...what can I say? Remember in most of the Windows systems...they allowed you to use a "classic" look so you'd not be totally out of your element? I thought that was a great idea. They sort of eased you into it. Once you learned the OS, THEN you could maybe experiment with the different looks. But you had that choice. As each new OS comes out...sure, we no longer want a Windows 3.1, 95 or 98 look that we need to revert back to. But it was cool you had those options when you bought a new OS.
 
I don't mean to sound like I want "old options". I just want OPTIONS and would like to congratulate the brainiac who thought it was a good idea to rip out the colors and incredible tool bar options we had in Sonar for many years. What a horrible decision. I bet he's either no longer with the company and doesn't use Sonar as often as I do. LOL! :) Ah I'm just being crabby....but it still was a bad move! :-Þ (watch knowing my luck, he's still with the company and will come on here and yell at me. lol)
 
I just feel so "locked" when using Sonar without options, colors, ability to call more shots and customize. You don't really notice this stuff until you do without all the stuff we used to have and then try a few other DAWs that have the ability to customize. Especially when you try something like Reaper that has a tweak for a tweak of a tweak and a color change for everything in it. I know it's only cosmetic and shouldn't be something I worry about, but I can't help what floats my boat.
 
At any rate, I'm looking forward to whatever the next X (or whatever it may be called) will be like. I hope thay've been listening to us and they give us something mind-blowing with options and all the stuff we've been asking for to be fixed, changed, or altered. I think if I had my choice, the first thing I want outta here is that audio engine thing.
 
It seriously has to go. That's another thing you don't notice how much of a nuisance it is until you use another DAW that doesn't have that. Granted, everything else in the other DAW may suck lol....but it beats that engine shutting down on me all the time at 64 or 32 buffers. Nothing else I use drops out on me other than Sonar at those buffer sizes. Anytime I record, as soon as I press stop, bang, dead engine. I just hate it...no one else has it, why do we need it? And of course...colors, options, better console with sends and visibility...you know...the same stuff we've been asking for that just doesn't seem to be important enough to implement. 
 
I don't ask anymore...I just do my work and try not to vent other than 3-4 times per year. When i vent it's because I'm passionate about the software and just wonder how many of these dev guys literally work with the software...not on it. Or, do they make changes for themselves because they can and shoot us the finger sliently? It really does make me wonder at times because some of the decisions that get made really surprise me. Here's hoping for a better Sonar. :)
 
-Danny

Danny, I'm in serious agreement with you on every point. 



With that said I should also say I am not that upset with the choices CW has made with the colors. Do I want them made for me? No, I don't. 

Danny Danzi

 
I don't mean to sound like I want "old options". I just want OPTIONS and would like to congratulate the brainiac who thought it was a good idea to rip out the colors and incredible tool bar options we had in Sonar for many years. What a horrible decision. I bet he's either no longer with the company and doesn't use Sonar as often as I do. LOL! :) Ah I'm just being crabby....but it still was a bad move! :-Þ (watch knowing my luck, he's still with the company and will come on here and yell at me. lol) 
  
I don't ask anymore...I just do my work and try not to vent other than 3-4 times per year. When i vent it's because I'm passionate about the software and just wonder how many of these dev guys literally work with the software...not on it. Or, do they make changes for themselves because they can and shoot us the finger sliently? It really does make me wonder at times because some of the decisions that get made really surprise me. Here's hoping for a better Sonar. :)
 
-Danny

I repeat what I said about OS's in another thread:
The software developers sometimes forget, that computers have been around for so long, that radically new things don't pop up
every week, like 20 years ago. There's a mass of users who just want to get their work done approximately in the fluent way they've used to. They have no need nor will to stand in the frontline of development and spend their valuable time learning the same things over and over again. The technical progress, faster CPUs, SSDs etc. makes them happy enough.
 
Development is important, of course, but the changes in software design should be implemented so that workhorse-customers don't need to turn into computer nerds every time a software engineer comes up with a new idea.

Reaper is a very strong program but it sometimes feels like it was designed by a world-wide committee. 

That's not too far from the truth...   
Suggestions from folks migrating from many different applications
You'll see bits similar to Vegas, Samplitude, ProTools, etc.

I'd like to know what actually occurred that made the bakers get rid of the colour customization in the first place....

Tom Riggs


@dave it looks like you have pictures of studio monitors hanging on the wall behind your monitors. LOL

Ha, I guess it does, doesn't it?  Nah, it's for real JBL 4312s.

I repeat what I said about OS's in another thread: The software developers sometimes forget, that computers have been around for so long, that radically new things don't pop up every week, like 20 years ago. There's a mass of users who just want to get their work done approximately in the fluent way they've used to. They have no need nor will to stand in the frontline of development and spend their valuable time learning the same things over and over again. The technical progress, faster CPUs, SSDs etc. makes them happy enough.   Development is important, of course, but the changes in software design should be implemented so that workhorse-customers don't need to turn into computer nerds every time a software engineer comes up with a new idea.

well said..




i myself am ashamed of the time and money i have spent, to get a handle on all this DAW stuff. even though i am having a good time with the advances, i was way more prolific and productive when i didn't know or have any of this. Sonar, Pro Tools, Reaper etc. etc. is basic and straight-forward now...only because i had years of fooling with it.  looking back, its been alot of features implemented that were a **** to learn, that have never really worked right, nor updated or revamped. eg. Audiosnap, V-vocal were a complete waste of time. especially if you graduated to the better 3rd party stuff. it just seems to me one LE version after another. Avid has said it is not bringing ANYTHING NEW to the table regarding PT11..they are marketing stability and efficiency. all you are getting for all that money, is what you should have had years ago .. hundreds, to some, thousands of dollars and versions ago...the long metering is about it folks..for all your good bread and loyalty..