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2015/02/20 20:10:22 (permalink)

Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations.

For someone like me who paid good money for Sonar Producer 3 back in the day, I end up having to pay $50 more than the next guy who purchased X3 just a year ago if I want to upgrade to Sonar Platinum (which, I did order)..
 
However, I'm trying to figure out the logic here. The new guy who just purchased X3  qualifies to pay $50 less than the guy who purchased the same level Sonar back 7 years ago.  WHY? And why X3?? Cakewalk comes out with new version like every 9 months right?
 
Someone enlighten me here..
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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/20 20:14:43 (permalink)
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However, I'm trying to figure out the logic here. The new guy who just purchased X3  qualifies to pay $50 less than the guy who purchased the same level Sonar back 7 years ago.  WHY?

 
Because the differences between X3 and Platinum are lesser than those between SONAR of 7 years ago and SONAR today. You're getting a much bigger delta of features and functionality for only $50 more.
 
Someone who never owned SONAR pays the most. The further back you go, the more you pay to cover all the extra stuff that happened in that time.
 

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/20 20:25:37 (permalink)
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However, I'm trying to figure out the logic here. The new guy who just purchased X3  qualifies to pay $50 less than the guy who purchased the same level Sonar back 7 years ago.  WHY?

 
Because the differences between X3 and Platinum are lesser than those between SONAR of 7 years ago and SONAR today. You're getting a much bigger delta of features and functionality for only $50 more.
 
Someone who never owned SONAR pays the most. The further back you go, the more you pay to cover all the extra stuff that happened in that time.
 




good point.. but I'm still going to cry over the $50 lol
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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/20 20:34:48 (permalink)
What's your logic.
The price of Sonar has remained about the same year after year. Meaning, the price of Sonar 3 of tens years ago is the same roughly $500 as todays. Which then means, adjusted for inflation todays price could be $800. Even though the new buyer today is getting a whole lot more for a downward adjusted price of $300, as per a Sonar 3.
Gee, perhaps if everyone follows Walmart and raise the wage index, quit fighting bloody wars, and invent technologies to make the digital realm more secure...........perhaps it will soothe your logical emoticon.  
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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/20 20:55:04 (permalink)
Sonar 3 came out in 2003. If you had bought Sonar 4 you would have recieved an upgrade discount but to expect a discount after 12 years is a bit much. Even so Cakewalk still give you one. And you're complaining about that.

Sonar's release cycle has been approximately annual if not a bit longer. Certainly not every 9 months.

I've paid good money for every version of Sonar and benefit from an upgrade discount every release.

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/20 21:29:01 (permalink)
Rest assured those of us who upgraded every release since SONAR 3 will have paid (overall) A LOT more than you will.
 
That was 8 releases for me. Even at an average of $100 per release, that's $800 I'm in for.
 
I'm the one who should be crying foul on you. 
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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/20 22:29:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/02/20 22:36:14
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That was 8 releases for me. Even at an average of $100 per release, that's $800 I'm in for.

 
In other words, about two and a half reels of 2" magnetic tape...or 2/3 the cost of my TEAC 3340S four-track recorder, which came with...well, nothing. 
 

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/20 22:52:30 (permalink)
Price be darned, Sonar Platinum is fantastic! It is without reservation the best Sonar Cakewalk has ever released.
 
As a matter of fact its worth a great deal more then the full asking price. It may be the best DAW ever. Plus it will be getting better with all the cool stuff yet to be released.
 
When CW is back from being snowed in expect a lot of activity from them in making real the membership you will be part of.  But even as it stands now it is superb.
 
You talk about $50  as if it meant something when the progress they have made is spectacular. When you get it I have no doubt you will be totally amazed.    

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/20 23:01:11 (permalink)
Can we just ban all the trolls/whiners? You always have a choice, but trolling on a board makes you look weak. You can't or don't want scrounge up $100 or $200 every year? Then DON'T.
 
Or....
 
You could actually call up customer service or write an official email or letter explaining your concerns.
 
Sadly, I think there is a big non-troll contingent whining. This isn't like regulating air or water, it is a luxury product. I've heard Reaper is cheap.

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/21 12:05:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby LOSTinSWIRL 2015/02/21 13:17:23
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Can we just ban all the trolls/whiners? You always have a choice, but trolling on a board makes you look weak. You can't or don't want scrounge up $100 or $200 every year? Then DON'T.
 
Or....
 
You could actually call up customer service or write an official email or letter explaining your concerns.
 
Sadly, I think there is a big non-troll contingent whining. This isn't like regulating air or water, it is a luxury product. I've heard Reaper is cheap.


No not a troll.. I do see great benefits in Sonar and compared to other DAWs they offer the most bang for the buck.. however think about this point .. I paid $500 for Sonar 3 which according to many on here contained a lot less content and features.. vs the guy who purchased X3 for same
recently..

I also wonder why they discount wasn't given to owners of X1-X2 as it would seem logical to include that series
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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/21 17:31:04 (permalink)
Speaking as someone who is new to all of this and is still learning X2P atm... I would have picked up Platinum if there had been a deal for X2 users like there was for X3 users... even though I probably wouldn't have touched it until I had fully grasped X2.
 
Not debating the value of the deal either... love this DAW... good pricing imo... just pointing out that without some incentive, there will always be a part of the marketplace that won't touch an upgrade. I wasn't upset either, but a little disappointed there was no incentive at all. I'll upgrade eventually... but not without absolute need at this point, or some extra incentive.
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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/21 19:03:01 (permalink)
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No not a troll.. I do see great benefits in Sonar and compared to other DAWs they offer the most bang for the buck.. however think about this point .. I paid $500 for Sonar 3 which according to many on here contained a lot less content and features.. vs the guy who purchased X3 for same
recently...

 
Competition increases. Companies learn more. User base increases. Prices go down over time.
 
Before Logic went to Apple it retailed for $699 and plug-ins cost $99 to $299. Now it's $199, thanks to being part of a company that's sitting on $178,000,000,000. I bet if Cakewalk had $178,000,000,000, SONAR would cost less 

I also wonder why they discount wasn't given to owners of X1-X2 as it would seem logical to include that series



As I said in a previous post: "Someone who never owned SONAR pays the most. The further back you go, the more you pay to cover all the extra stuff that happened in that time." SONAR X1 was released in December 2010 and X2 in September 2012. The update to go from X1 or X2 to Platinum is $50 more than going from X3 to Platinum. I think most users have gotten $50 worth of use out of X1 and X2 in the past few years...
 
There's always the possibility of a sale to entice X1 and X2 owners to switch. It would be to Cakewalk's advantage if the entire user base was on the current version, if for no other reason than it would simplify support considerably.
 

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/21 19:59:49 (permalink)
I remember an advertisement/story in an issue of BYTE magazine WAY back in the day - maybe 1981.  It was about a 5 megabyte hard drive.  It said that no one with a person computer at home would need that much space anyway, but that the upgrade was so pricey that the technology would never catch on.  It was on the order of $5,000.
 
How much would a drive that size cost today, assuming you could buy such a thing?  The answer is something significantly less than a penny (check me: http://www.jcmit.com/diskprice.htm).  And the amount of space it could hold would basically be useless today.
 
Of course, I know that this is hardware not software, but the scaling is not completely dissimilar.  Just some food for thought, I suppose.

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/21 20:49:23 (permalink)
Like many here I started with Cakewalk for DOS on a  floppy disc, and have purchased various versions since. At risk of stating the bleeding obvious; yes - you paid $500 for Sonar 3, but you have had use of it for about the last 10 years. The person who started at X3 has not.

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/21 22:11:30 (permalink)
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At risk of stating the bleeding obvious



Sometimes that seems to be necessary 

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Re: Cakewalk's upgrade cost variations. 2015/02/21 23:42:56 (permalink)
I bought a 256GB SSD a year ago for $300, now it is $115. I feel ripped off!
 
 
Not at all. 

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