Cakewalk...please make this!!!!

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2013/01/29 16:47:27 (permalink)

Cakewalk...please make this!!!!

I realize you guys are all tuckered out from the barrage of scantily clad NAMM booth models and such but, when you have time...could you please make a Studio Instrument for Acoustic bass, not simply the frettless in S1-Bass Guitar.

There really is no usable stand up bass in Dimension Pro and the controls for it are mainly synth oriented. The one usable sound in Cakewalk Sound Center is very poorly recorded and the old 32 bit plug is not very Bit bridge friendly in a 64 bit environment. There are some really nice samples in the S1-Bass for electric but we need something that is as believable in recording, for stand up/acoustic bass. Or even just some additional sample sets and skins for the S1-Bass.

 

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    Beepster
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 16:57:57 (permalink)
    Not sure if this will work for you or if you even have the program but the Zeta Alembic preset is a nice little bass goodie I stumbled upon the other day and due to the highly tweakable nature of Zeta I could see getting something close to what you want from it.

    Meh... worth a look anyway.
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 17:31:23 (permalink)
    Thanks Beebster,

    I don't have it here at work but my buddy does and that patch is pretty close.  Just sounds very "MIDI" even when played correctly. Once you record real acoustic, its hard to settle for less and the S1-Bass is pretty darn close to electric stuff we have tracked in the past so, I know its within the grasp of the designers who made that bass synth. 

    The TRILIAN acoustic bass is to die for but so is the 300 bucks for it!!!! Sounds amazing in the mix or by itself but, as usual, there is that odd correlation between stuff that is awesome and stuff that costs a fortune!! lol


    The one exception I have found to that rule is Addictive Keys...beautiful and affordable...rare combo!
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 17:40:53 (permalink)
    See this is why I'm secure in the knowledge a true string player will not be able to be replaced by a computer anytime soon. They can get close but there are just some things that cannot be duplicated without a little flesh and nail.

    ;-)
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 17:44:47 (permalink)
    Oh and I was thinking with that patch you could incorporate some automation/mod wheel/humanize type stuff into the mix to get a little closer. Have you tried out the double basses in the DSF Orchestral Strings or the Garritan Pocket Orchestra (provided you have access to those programs as well)? A little bit if guitar sim processing can turn those into some neat tones as well. Better yet blend three tracks from all three different synths on the same MIDI program to sang the best timbre from each.

    Cheers.
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 18:16:05 (permalink)
    All good ideas for sure but really the long way around...sometimes there is something to having a well written patch that simply inspires you to play it...

    My mistake was having ever playing the TRILIAN demo in the first place. lol..
    Simply inspirational and gorgeous just the way it sits in the basic patch!!!
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 18:39:48 (permalink)
    Heh... well I think you know what you gotta do then... as painful on the wallet as it may be.

    ;-)
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 19:19:15 (permalink)
    Have you tried the Dimension Pro patches? I thought I remembered hearing some good sounds there...



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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 20:02:28 (permalink)
    lol...if the bakers can come up with a Bass synth that sounds as good as SI-Bass....they can surely make a Jazz Bass to match...lol...even I could picture this one....



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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 20:52:10 (permalink)
    It's a tricky one to imitate. If you have ever actually played a Dog House Bass you'd know that there's a million different sounds that come out of one. Both your left and Right hands have this huge range of control over the attach, tone and dynamics. Then try and play in pitch!! 
    A good Acoustic Bass synth should randomly go off pitch a titch. . :) 
    I had one for years and let it go to kid who was going to College and needed one. I don't really miss it 'cause it took up a lot of studio space. The strings needed replacing @ $300 too.  

    SO I'd gladly pay $300 for a synth that emulated one.. but I can't see how you would manipulate all those subtle tones, slaps and slides. 

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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 21:19:54 (permalink)
    Trillian is definitely on my fantasy wish list for sure. I just got told I overpaid my UI taxes to the tune of hundreds last year and am getting a refund....the sensible thing to do would be to put it back into my biz but I tell ya the temptation is crippling me. I don't think I've ever wanted to spend money as obsessively as I have with plugs. My whole life I have never lived above my means, until I discovered audio production as a hobby. 

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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 21:21:15 (permalink)
    Of course you could pay a real bass player to do the same thing, but that would be unheard of in these parts..... 

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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 22:20:59 (permalink)
    +1 for TRILIAN....our goto bass player who does most our session work suggested we try this for stand up bass as well lol!!!

    I do like the idea of a Sonar version if it was even close to the quality of the Spectrasonic's stuff!!  ..cool look BTW :-)

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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/01/29 23:29:19 (permalink)
    The Cakewalk Sound Center is nothing but a DimPro and Rapture player. You can load the Cakewalk Sound Center Acoustic Bass sfz into 64bit DimPro to avoid using bitbridge.
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/02/01 02:38:48 (permalink)
    scook,

    Great suggestion, Ill give that a try...thats the one sample that is decent in the whole library of acoustic bass sounds....thanks
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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/02/01 07:07:01 (permalink)
    So, can't argue that most acoustic instruments don't translate "realistically" via MIDI and sample libraries.  But, some libraries produce better results than others.  I think we all are just looking for passable sounds for our instruments.

    Whether it be drums (cymbals can be played in an infinite number of ways) but we get a few articulations that we need to make work in a mix or guitar tracks (forget about strumming chords with realistic rhythms and techinique.

    So, if you want a realistic bass part, depending on how realistic, I agree you need to record the bass LIVE.  But if you just want a passable bass part, some libraries are better than others.  Perhaps some day, audio to MIDI translations can advance to the point where cc data is used to translate all the little stuff that makes a real track sound real.  I use a MIDI guitar controller and even slides between notes get translated but not translated well (a combination of low velocity passing notes and pitch bend data is what shows up in a MIDI track when sliding between notes) and yes, most MIDI guitar interfaces are really audio to MIDI real time translators).

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    Re:Cakewalk...please make this!!!! 2013/02/01 08:18:11 (permalink)
    I am amazed that so far not one post has mentioned Kontakt 5 Free. Usually, you can't post anywhere without Kontakt being mentioned. The free player has a library of free instruments and there is an upright in there that may squeak by for your use. I believe Independence Free and Pro have an upright as well. My use is not as critical as yours, probably, so I opt to use Kontakt but I have Garritan and the uprights in the JABB serve me well. Just for mock ups. If anythings goes to final production it is usually replaced with a real player. If you are satisfied with the SI bass, I don't think it is too far a stretch to try Kontakt Free or Independence Free. If you like one or the other then decide to purchase. Just for the record the Kontakt Free has some of the articulations you have mentioned in the other posts.

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