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2018/07/09 15:14:11 (permalink)

Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this????

I always program/play in my drum tracks using either EZDrummer or now Superior Drummer 3 in SPLAT.  That is, I do not use the SD3 internal "build a track" thingy.  I record/play in my midi into a SD3 template I've built in SPLAT.  
 
What I would like to do is take my midi drum track in SPLAT and put it into the SD3 control track so I can alter the "play style" to get a more animated drum track (i.e. more ghost notes etc...on the high hat and snare).
 
I know I can simply record a pass of the SPLAT track into the SD3 track but when I do that the edit play style doesn't work on playback.  I know I could also export the SPLAT track out to the desktop and import it back into the SD3 track.
 
So here are my two questions...first, what is the best way to get my SPLAT midi track into SD3 so I CAN use the edit play style thingy and, second, do I then have to delete my SPLAT track so it won't be double triggered when using the SD3 track???
 
I suppose I should just start learning how to program my drums inside SD3 but that's for another day.
 
Thanks for any info or help anyone can provide.
 

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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/09 16:32:08 (permalink)
You would need to add the MIDI tracks as User MIDI in SD3 to start.  I haven't tried to use EDIT Play style with user MIDI, but can try tonight.
 
Here is info in the manual on how to do that
 
https://www.toontrack.com/manual/superior-drummer-3/?type=manual_sd3&search=user+midi
 
 
Once you have the user MIDI in the timeline you would need to delete/mute your original MIDI if using the SD3 MIDI timeline.  Or then drag the affected MIDI back into your DAW.
 
 
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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/09 17:52:03 (permalink)
Too advanced for me...all my ghost notes are manually entered, as taught in the curriculum of the proverbial Old School.
 
Always up for a puzzle, though. I'll give it a go soon as soon I get a chance.


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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/09 18:45:59 (permalink)
Check out the SD 3 drum/grid editor. It's very full featured. Can edit just like in a DAW if not more powerful.
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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/09 20:14:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2018/07/27 02:31:53
I just found this video this morning. Really builds the case for doing drum editing in SD3.
 


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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/09 21:08:47 (permalink)
You can open your project with your custom track, open SD3's Drum Editor and click and drag your track in to the timeline in the Grid Editor. You will have to delete the original midi track in the project.
Once it is in the timeline, use the follow host button and tweak to taste. When you have what you want, click and drag the new midi track back to the project track and remove the track from the timeline.
I usually do all my drum editing this way since getting SD3.

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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/10 05:56:13 (permalink)
dragging right from daw to timeline allows edit play style amount/velocity knobs to work.  pretty cool.  I thought the MIDI may need to be tagged, but I guess not.  Cool stuff.
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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/10 15:27:48 (permalink)
When I dragged my SPLAT track into the SD3 timeline the edit play style thingy didn't work.  I thought I had "follow host" checked...but maybe not.  I'll try again.  I've decided to try and start all new projects using the SD3 grid and timeline and make myself learn it.  What I really want to do is have the edit play style be able to be used on old projects (by the click and drag method above) to spruce some of them up.  Maybe an old dog can learn new tricks after all.  I'll keep ya posted.
 

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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/10 15:45:33 (permalink)
'Ol Pal, if you start in SD3 and you save it as you go you have a backup for drum track, and that's worth something. If you use midi packs, you can right click on clips and "find in browser". You can find any clip you have in your project so can nose around for similar. I like being able to find where I got a file I drug in. There are a lot of advantages to starting in SD3. 

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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/10 20:06:19 (permalink)
I'm just so used to playing my drums in using a keyboard controller or my NI maschine that I almost never use all the eleventy jiliion midi files I have with all my kits.  But I'm going to start trying it out.  I've been watching the Groove3 tutorials on SD3 and think that in the future I'd be better served to create my drum tracks inside SD3 when possible.  It's just that, as you well know, I am one lazy s.o.b. and change is h.a.r.d.
 

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Re: Calling all SD3 experts...How do I do this???? 2018/07/10 23:14:01 (permalink)
Great find, John. That Tap2Find button is awesome. If I ever get the urge to use canned loops, that will make it fun.


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