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Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED!)
Hi, Lately I've been transcribing some acoustic guitar tunes, basically by painting soft synth notes in parallel with the acoustic source clip. When I need to check the measure I'm working on and need to hear the acoustic source track alone, I mute the soft synth MIDI track. On many of the transcription projects, while the soft synth is indeed silent during playback, it will still sound if I click an existing note on the screen or draw a new note, despite the track being muted (I'm editing in Track View with the notes filter selected). ??? This happens every time in some of my transcription projects and never on others. I find this unexpected behavior VERY desirable and it speeds up my workflow when it happens. Does anyone know why this happens and how to invoke this behavior on purpose? To reiterate, the behavior I desire is a soft synth track being mute on playback, but still creating sound when notes in the Track View (with Notes filter) are clicked or drawn (with or without playback in progress). I'm stumped and wish I could force this to happen on every transcription project, not just the randomly lucky ones! Pete
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE?
2016/05/23 12:04:49
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Wouldn't you know it! I gave up on trying to figure this out a couple of days ago, and so I posted. Soon as I did, I stumble across something interesting while transcribing some more. In the cases with my desired behavior, muting the MIDI track does NOT mute the softsynth audio track, while in the projects where it doesn't work, muting the MIDI track automatically mutes the softsynth audio track as well.
So I guess the question becomes ... what determines if the MIDI track's mute is "linked" to the softsynth's audio mute button? And how do you "unlink" it?
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE?
2016/05/23 12:14:03
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☄ Helpfulby PeteL 2016/05/23 17:13:23
Check whether Smart Mute is enabled when you right-click the Synth tab in the rack with the relevant synth selected (not in front of my DAW right now, but I think that's how you get there).
With Smart Mute disabled, the synth and audio output should remain active when the MIDI track is muted.
EDIT: It occurs to me that it's possible the behavior differs depending on whether the synth is using a Simple Instrument track or separate MIDI and Audio tracks, too.
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 12:48:34
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Awesome brundlefly! I had never played with that before! Now I can do what I need. Thanks! :-)
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 12:51:18
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Hmmmm ... I thought I had changed the title of this thread to include "SOLVED", but it seems to have only changed the title of my last post. How do you change the main title?
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 12:51:34
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On an entirely separate note, are you aware of the program Transcribe! by seventhstring software?
Your workflow honestly seems pretty nice but I really like that program, it's cheap and very lightweight and has useful tools available for slowing down, transposing, isolation EQ, spectrum view with note guesses, etc.
Been using it for ages for learning songs and parts for cover work.
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 12:59:12
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PeteL
How do you change the main title?
Edit the initial post and modify the subject
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 12:59:14
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Sanderxpander
On an entirely separate note, are you aware of the program Transcribe! by seventhstring software?
Your workflow honestly seems pretty nice but I really like that program, it's cheap and very lightweight and has useful tools available for slowing down, transposing, isolation EQ, spectrum view with note guesses, etc.
Been using it for ages for learning songs and parts for cover work.
Yeah, I looked into it, but I never bought it. All the "slowdowner" software I've used is somewhat poor audio quality on a 50% slowdown. The Izotope Radius algorithm that comes with Sonar is much better compared to what I've tried (I don't recall the names of the apps). All the things you mention I've been accomplishing with Sonar in conjunction Melodyne and AudioSnap, EQ'ing, though Melodyne is tedious as far as fixing it's note guesses and false notes due to harmonics. Bright fingerstyle guitars are hard to do in Melodyne. How does Transcribe! work for solo acoustic fingerstyle material? Or sparsely accompanied fingerstyle? If it really helps, I'd consider buying it.
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 13:00:35
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 13:07:50
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You can do everything you can do with Transcribe! in Sonar in some way. It's just that it's really quick and specialized. It doesn't do any actual notation or recording at all. It's just a lightweight and very quick aid for hearing (and sometimes seeing) what's going on. I think you can try it for 30 days for free. Audio quality is reasonably high quality for medium slow downs but at really slow speed obviously it suffers.
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 13:12:26
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I'll check and see if they have a trial version. One of the nice things in Sonar is that after you paint in the notes, you can instantly hear if anything is off (timing or pitch) compared to the reference track being transcribed. Then, you already have the MIDI notes which Sonar can display and print as tab.
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 13:43:02
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True, that's why I said your workflow seems pretty nice too :)
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 14:01:43
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Sanderxpander
True, that's why I said your workflow seems pretty nice too :)
But it takes me FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Just like any other method I've tried. :-( But I think I do like this one better because of the instant feedback on your success ... or lack of it, so you can immediately fix it.
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Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How to Do This ... On PURPOSE? (SOLVED! Yay!)
2016/05/23 15:00:55
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PeteL
Sanderxpander
On an entirely separate note, are you aware of the program Transcribe! by seventhstring software?
Your workflow honestly seems pretty nice but I really like that program, it's cheap and very lightweight and has useful tools available for slowing down, transposing, isolation EQ, spectrum view with note guesses, etc.
Been using it for ages for learning songs and parts for cover work.
Yeah, I looked into it, but I never bought it. All the "slowdowner" software I've used is somewhat poor audio quality on a 50% slowdown. The Izotope Radius algorithm that comes with Sonar is much better compared to what I've tried (I don't recall the names of the apps).
All the things you mention I've been accomplishing with Sonar in conjunction Melodyne and AudioSnap, EQ'ing, though Melodyne is tedious as far as fixing it's note guesses and false notes due to harmonics. Bright fingerstyle guitars are hard to do in Melodyne. How does Transcribe! work for solo acoustic fingerstyle material? Or sparsely accompanied fingerstyle? If it really helps, I'd consider buying it.
You can try out Transcribe! for 30 days. I recommend checking it out. I recently got my reel-to-reel tape deck working to check out and digitize some of my old tapes. I've found lots of music I did that I don't remember at all. I tried and eventually bought Transcribe! to figure out what's going on in some of the better ones. It has trouble analyzing some if the sound quality is especially bad or if the pitch is off. However, you can adjust the pitch of what you're working on, and usually that's all it takes to get good results. On one song the guitar used a picking pattern that I couldn't quite figure out until I slowed it down in Transcribe!, and then I was able to tell exactly what was going on.
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