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Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
Hello All, I was wondering if Sonar X3 would allow me to use a closed hihat from one synth and an open in another and somehow allow me to choke them together. Does this functionality somehow live within Sonar? If not, any work around would be greatly appreciated! -Adam
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 01:47:16
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Choke meaning cut off. If the synths support it I don't see why not. You may need to use automation for this to work. It would be something Sonar itself wouldn't do. But one could use a gate on the audio. It would simple to do this in one synth if its a drum synth.
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 01:49:03
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Hey John, Yea, its a closed HH from one synth and an open HH from another. I could just make the open HH last for as long as I hold the note and just hold them till the next HH. Not sure how I would gate that? Thanks, Adam
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 02:10:57
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You'd use a gate with sidechain to sidechain the closed hat to the open hat. This will allow you to choke the open hat.
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 02:37:04
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Um... you could sample the two sounds and write a quick SFZ file for hi-hats. That allows you to set up a series of samples with choke ability. Of course, you'd need to add an instance of SFZ Player to your project. And learn about the SFZ file format. I realize this is like, "now I have two problems".
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 03:12:23
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/12/08 07:28:55
Why don't you put a "ghost" closed hi-hat after the open hi hat (in the same synth) at the same time the closed hi hat plays in the other synth
Depending on the synth you may even be able to make the velocity of of the "ghost" hi hat ZERO so it doesn't sound at all - it just serves to "choke" the open hi hat at the right time
Much easier than side chaining gates etc.
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 05:35:26
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OR use something like BFD which provides it's own choke articulations
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 06:44:12
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I'm baffled and intrigued as to what/why the op is trying to do and what effect is he trying to create using what drums?
I'm guessing you just want a normal open hat being closed by the closed hat?
As Jonesy pointed out BFD does this naturally and also has a very flexible choking system but surely all drum vst's will have the basic function where an open hat is closed when you hit the closed hat?
Why are you using to different instruments? I'm guessing perhaps these are electronic drums sounds and not acoustic ones since you say you can hold a note down to make the open hh longer?
I don't think you can do that in any acoustic type drum plug in.
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 07:24:35
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Can't this be done in SD3?
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 07:42:51
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I am intrigued by this as well, since within the same synth this is simple. I just tried Boydie's method and it works well (I set the velocities of the choke to 1 in the same synth), and duplicated the closed HH hits on another track.
Clicking on the closed HH row (left edge) in the PRV will select all hits, so can use the smart tool to drag the velocities to 1 on the original synth (one to be choked). This actually gives a perfect choke without using another synth (I used AD for the main synth).
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 16:59:44
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☼ Best Answerby alewgro 2014/12/09 12:54:21
What I have here is an Open HH in one instance of DropZone, and a Closed HH in another instance of Dropzone. That would be your two separate synths.  I then insert Sonitus Gate on the Closed HH, and Send the Open HH to the Sonitus plugin on the Closed HH track. Set the Gate to Duck, bring down the Depth, and set the Hold and Release to your liking. The Closed Hat will now choke the Open Hat.
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 17:05:30
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Ahhh drop zone, wish you'd said this in your first post
I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly) that you've checked the hi-hats in SD3, addictive drums and any other drum vst's you might have but none of the hats give you the sound you're after?
If you haven't and you want realistic (acoustic) sounding hats then what I think you're trying to achieve (a regular open/closing hat) could be achieved much easier and probably sound much better in virtually any other drum vst than in drop zone.
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 17:30:48
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I think you're confusing me with the OP. DropZone was simply an example for the OP regarding choking two sounds from two completely separate synths. It could've been a Hat sound in SD3 choking a Hat in AD2, but I used DropZone as an example because it was the quickest and easiest way to show the routing and gate settings.
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/08 17:36:56
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I was yeah sorry, I just looked at your avatar and thought it was the ops.
Still think using two synths is a very unorthodox and round about way of getting an open/closing hi-hat sound but I'm thinking he/she must be wanting something else.
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Re: Can I Make a Cymbal Choke Between 2 SoftSynths?
2014/12/09 13:04:33
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Hello,
I am the OP. I am making electronic music and my hats are not even truly hats. They are synthetic percussive-y type sounds that I want to choke from different softysynths. FidelityMusic's and others suggestion about the Gate is great.
Thank you!
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