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Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
Can I do this? Do I need Rewire? I recently installed that free Home Studio, and have opened my current project in it. It's an orchestral midi project. I like working in HS, but am not yet sure it will prove adequate, and I may go back to Studio 8.5. But I'm making some changes as I work in HS, and would like to have them affect the same project in Studio. I tried opening the HS project in Studio, but it wouldn't open. So, is there another way to do this?
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/01/12 04:52:23
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☄ Helpfulby michael diemer 2018/01/12 05:40:14
Normally cwp files would open but with a notice alerting you that it was saved with a newer version, so this is new to me.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/01/12 04:55:14
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☄ Helpfulby michael diemer 2018/01/12 05:40:09
Try saving as a new file name in HS then open the new file in 8.5 that should answer the question for you.
If you save in a newer version usually the older sonar will display a message when you open the flie that it was created in the newer version and that if you make changes and save the file it will strip out information in the file that the newer version may need.
give it a go.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/01/12 17:36:17
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Well, the problem is still there unfortunately. I tried renaming it. Here's what happens:
1. I have done a project in Sonar Home Studio. It gets saved in a folder, which has the actual project plus audio.
2. I open that project in Sonar 8.5 Studio. At first, it starts opening ok, instruments load on to synths, although it can't find a couple of synths. Then I get two error messages about previous versions or later versions, I can't remember the exact wording. I click ok on the first one, then the second pops up, which is nearly identical to the first, except it's a little shorter. I ok that, and I get booted out of the opening dialogue, and I'm back at square one. If I try again, the same sequence of events happens.
I have opened older works in newer sonar versions with no issues, but this is opening a newer version of sonar in an older version of sonar. Could that be the problem?
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/01/13 13:40:14
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I do it all the time.
I just got HS so will be installing and checking it out this weekend. If I find anything I'll let you know.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/01/13 18:05:15
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Thanks, Soens.
This is a great example of how this forum is so helpful. There is no other place I could have gotten a response like this.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/01/14 04:33:01
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I tried opening a "new" CWP in my 8.5 and it was a no go. But what works is save the file as a CWB instead and those work.
It's something to do with the coding that saves some of the new features are not backward compatable. I know Aux tracks is one of the bug a boo's.
CWB files are not perfect because they can remove certain data, not clear what this is, but simple projects seem to work fine. As always have back ups of your back ups.
Right now I'm saving to One Drive, but these are pure midi projects saved as both MID and CWP files.. I'm also going to go throught the works and back them up as CWB as well.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/01/14 18:21:05
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/01/15 03:49:47
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I saved as a CWB file, but when I try to open in 8.5, it opens it as CWP file, and the same exact thing happens. Weird.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/09 14:11:41
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soens
I just got HS so will be installing and checking it out this weekend. If I find anything I'll let you know.
Thanks, Soens.
This is a great example of how this forum is so helpful. There is no other place I could have gotten a response like this.
And then never hear from the bloke again.  Sorry for taking so long but life happens. Will try again this weekend to give it a go. Are you using audio and midi tracks or just one or the other? You might try dragging your tracks to the desktop and then drag them into Studio 8.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/09 14:41:12
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If you are just using midi, save as a midi file. You will have to reload your soft synths, but that can be done easily by saving presents. I am going back and forth between another DAW (Cubase and including audio) and it has become a three step process going between each DAW.
1) Save as a "midi File"
2) Export OMF (if audio is involved)
3) Save each soft synth present
then open the other DAW using the mid file, load all your soft synths in and assign the tracks.
Import the OMF if you have audio. Works well for me.
Good luck!
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/09 18:23:52
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soens
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soens
I just got HS so will be installing and checking it out this weekend. If I find anything I'll let you know.
Thanks, Soens.
This is a great example of how this forum is so helpful. There is no other place I could have gotten a response like this.
And then never hear from the bloke again.
Sorry for taking so long but life happens. Will try again this weekend to give it a go.
Are you using audio and midi tracks or just one or the other? You might try dragging your tracks to the desktop and then drag them into Studio 8.
LOL, not a problem. As you say, life happens. I'm doing midi only.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/09 18:26:15
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Jimbo 88
If you are just using midi, save as a midi file. You will have to reload your soft synths, but that can be done easily by saving presents. I am going back and forth between another DAW (Cubase and including audio) and it has become a three step process going between each DAW.
1) Save as a "midi File"
2) Export OMF (if audio is involved)
3) Save each soft synth present
then open the other DAW using the mid file, load all your soft synths in and assign the tracks.
Import the OMF if you have audio. Works well for me.
Good luck!
I've done that with Reaper. But it was a PIA due to Reaper's convoluted midi routing. But thanks for reminding me, it will be much easier in Sonar.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/09 20:07:37
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If you are just using midi, save as a midi file. You will have to reload your soft synths, but that can be done easily by saving presents. I am going back and forth between another DAW (Cubase and including audio) and it has become a three step process going between each DAW.
1) Save as a "midi File"
2) Export OMF (if audio is involved)
3) Save each soft synth present
then open the other DAW using the mid file, load all your soft synths in and assign the tracks.
Import the OMF if you have audio. Works well for me.
Good luck!
I've done that with Reaper. But it was a PIA due to Reaper's convoluted midi routing. But thanks for reminding me, it will be much easier in Sonar.
After Sonar, MIDI routing in Reaper is really convoluted... Because, unlike in Sonar, it exist  BTW if you want open your CWPs in Reaper, you can join my "4-clicks solution" alpha test.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/09 21:48:41
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Thanks azslow3, I've been following your thread with interest. I'm currently staying with Sonar, I have a better workflow than Reaper. I spent a year or so in Reaper, before coming back to Sonar when the sh** hit the fan. In doing so, I remembered why I left for Reaper: my 8.5 Producer had several glitches. I decided to install 8.5 Studio, and for the first time ever on 8.5, I have a system that works the way it's supposed to. So the death of Sonar (if that's what it is) had a silver lining for me! Funny how things happen.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/10 03:44:24
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The biggest problem with opening projects from Home Studio into 8.5 is the interface differences. The silverlight has a dock window that is seperate from the track view and will fail when loading the layout.
I noticed this a while back. It only loads projects forward and will not load into versions below the X series.. So no go from Home studio to 8.5.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/10 20:48:04
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The biggest problem with opening projects from Home Studio into 8.5 is the interface differences. The silverlight has a dock window that is seperate from the track view and will fail when loading the layout.
I noticed this a while back. It only loads projects forward and will not load into versions below the X series.. So no go from Home studio to 8.5.
Thank you, this probably explains it.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/10 21:20:15
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CTStump
The biggest problem with opening projects from Home Studio into 8.5 is the interface differences. The silverlight has a dock window that is seperate from the track view and will fail when loading the layout.
I noticed this a while back. It only loads projects forward and will not load into versions below the X series.. So no go from Home studio to 8.5.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/10 22:20:30
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Seems to work for me.
1. I just created a new blank project in SHS, saved it and opened it in 8.3 Studio with the customary 'This was created in a newer version' warning but it opened just fine.
Blank meaning there's an audio and midi track but no data or plugins.
2. I opened an older X3 project in SHS and resaved it then opened it in 8.3 Studio and it works fine.
I installed SHS 32 bit on my Win10 64 bit system. Sonar 8.3 Studio is installed on my WinXP 32 bit system so I'm moving the cwp's from system to system.
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Re: Can I Save Changes In Sonar HS To Same Piece In Sonar 8.5 Studio?
2018/02/11 02:48:51
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Well, all I know is it won't work for me. It's actually a moot point, as I have decided that Home Studio, as impressive as it is, does not work for me. I absolutely need an Event List. I gave it a good two weeks, but I can't do without it.
Hopefully this thread will still be helpful to others.
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