Russell.Whaley
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 18:12:39
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I have a (Schechter C-5) 5-string bass and the neck fits my palm size and finger length perfectly. I would love to find an electric guitar with a neck that is about .75 of the 5-string's neck. Maybe some adaptation of the neck on a classical guitar would do it. Dunno.
Thanks for the good thread. I always learn something from these.
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spacey
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 19:00:31
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Thanks everybody...great reading.
Just a couple of things...
Space- I love that V neck too.
Herb- I understand...I always felt a Harley Sporster was like riding a 2x4.
Drew- sure glad to hear from a bassist as I'm carving a bass neck.
Bub- Man I hope if the doc's can fix that, that you get to have it done.
I don't know very much about woods and how to use it to guarantee a great sounding instrument, if that's even possible, so I take in everybody's thoughts about it and appreciate them.
I don't know why I'm kind of surprised that many of us adapt quickly and shape really isn't that
much of a factor....just when I thought I was "special". lol. Well it beat thinking I didn't play good enough
to use a special shape.
Supper time!
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 19:11:16
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Spacey, I prefer The Gibson "50's" style necks. However I'm good with any wide and fat neck. Thin necks cause me far greater fatigue and allow me less accuracy when picking. I do not have long fingers just avg length, but kinda fat finger tips,so I like some room to play. For years I didn't care much about necks and I still adapt OK to small necks for my level of playing. But recently I have decided unless the axe is a collector, if its not a fat wide neck, its gone. So I have recently sold a few off. On a up beat instrument note  , I recently discovered that PRS does have some fatties, one of which is the PRS SE Soapbar II, I'm really liking that neck and the extra bit of of upper fret access with the double cutaway. This cool as it seems most manufacturers are asymmetrical or slim taper unless you get a aftermarket nek or buy a "Gibson" guitar I am now looking into a PRS 22 fret stop tail standard. It is wide and fat....... One more note ........ No matter the neck type I do not like jumbo frets at all.  And I'm not a big fan of any neck with neck binding or overly heavy on the poly.......... Later.
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Combo
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 19:28:36
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Just to say the Carvin guitars designed to Allan Holdsworth's precise specs have pretty fat chunky necks, and flat fingerboards. You don't get much more dexterous than AH when it comes to soloing. Also I heard a suggestion that thin necks might be making people more susceptible to muscular problems.
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 20:50:21
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Spacey ... you're right.... riding another bike is such a different feel than riding my own....
I'll never forget the time I swapped bikes with my brother on a local ride..... never again. I don't knwo how he could stand riding that thin... but he rode it from VA to FLA and back...
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spacey
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 21:02:21
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Russell that's a great looking bass and sports great reviews...and discontinued?
I sure wish neck spec's were listed. It seems to me if they want internet customers they'd
supply all the pertinent info. At least they give scale length. I'm curious if scale length and neck thickness
have a big effect on the B string. I'm thinking the scale length should and thickness is going to contribute to the tone as Drew mentioned. Your thoughts? Does 35" and 34" have an effect on the B of the 5 string?
Zungle do you think your arm strength is a factor to thicker neck preference? Fatigue mentioned again....that's interesting to me. I've known the relationship in radius but I haven't really considered neck thickness...I've never noticed if it does effect me and seems like I would have. That leads me to wonder about thumb positioning. Just off the top of my head- gripping a thin neck to play rather than using the thumb working...fatigue from that?
I've owned a few guitars that the neck had to be babied to keep from tuning issues. If thin is preferred then I think that neck should have graphite rods.
Combo do you think the flat fretboards are 16" radius, maybe 14"?
And the mention of physical effects again...more things that a guitarist should be aware of? Especially the
beginner or teacher....never had those issues so it's new's to me. I've had stiff hands from over playing but nothing I'd contribute to neck shape/size.
I haven't spent hours playing a flatter board. I can understand a 16" radius effecting a player not use to it.
Just as we know how hard it is to play a classical guitar every now and then.
Did you ever play say an acoustic and it seemed like the strings were to close together...to hard to
play a C chord clean and it took extra effort to push the strings. And did you move your thumb around trying to get it right?
Then you tried a barr F chord and had to squeeze like crazy ?
If so...what did you find out to be the problem and was neck thickness a factor? Mention what the issue
was please if there were other reasons. ( and radius if known)
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spacey
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 21:08:40
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Guitarhacker
Spacey ... you're right.... riding another bike is such a different feel than riding my own....
I'll never forget the time I swapped bikes with my brother on a local ride..... never again. I don't knwo how he could stand riding that thin... but he rode it from VA to FLA and back...
I bought a Low Rider in '08....bought a Heritage in '09....I'd ride that Low Rider 60 miles and I had to get off. I do mean, had to. It had to go. I'm like Zungle there...if it playin', it ain't stayin'. I can see a guitarist just not being able to hang with the wrong neck and feel of a guitar. I'm glad I don't have that issue but I understand it.
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Jonbouy
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 21:10:50
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Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
If that's the question how come this thread has taken 2 pages... ? Ahh I get it, it not because there is a vast mind to pick it's because having a small mind makes it hard too choose between; a: the best type of neck shape, and b: the shape type that is better than anyone elses. Am I right? Yes? No? Maybe? Yes and No? 
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/01/19 21:15:33
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spacey
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 21:26:52
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I bet it does seem strange to a drummer! lol.
To me Jon it's something I've never talked with other guitarist about.
Now that I'm carving them I wonder of the importance.
I'm really surprised and not sure why that so many - first- really don't care, second- that they prefer a thicker
neck....I wouldn't have guessed that!
It seems to answer my question about why the specs aren't listed.
It also might....I'm going out on a limb....explain why some don't want to buy without playing them.
They don't know or care and just go on feel....NOT a bad thing. Even if they knew the exact neck
they preferred the information is not always readily available.- I think that's weird when you know they
want internet business.
I see a change coming. With CNC and internet we're going to see these spec's more and there are
going to be more guitarist speaking in thousandths or exact mm choices on their necks.
Of course I could be all wet.
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 21:40:50
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spacey
I bet it does seem strange to a drummer! lol.
To me Jon it's something I've never talked with other guitarist about.
Now that I'm carving them I wonder of the importance.
I'm really surprised and not sure why that so many - first- really don't care, second- that they prefer a thicker
neck....I wouldn't have guessed that!
It seems to answer my question about why the specs aren't listed.
It also might....I'm going out on a limb....explain why some don't want to buy without playing them.
They don't know or care and just go on feel....NOT a bad thing. Even if they knew the exact neck
they preferred the information is not always readily available.- I think that's weird when you know they
want internet business.
I see a change coming. With CNC and internet we're going to see these spec's more and there are
going to be more guitarist speaking in thousandths or exact mm choices on their necks.
Of course I could be all wet.
It's the only thing that I do find weird in that given the exacting specs that guitars have gone through with trends over the years that necks haven't come under that kind of scrutiny. Fashions come and go but it is funny how it always seems to come back down to pretty much the two basic designs introduced by Leo Fender and Les Paul mid-last century, however adventurous makers have tried to be over the years. Mind you last time I was trading guitars was in the late-eighties when I had to deal with various eye injuries caused by pointy headstocks. I wouldn't know what was around these days if it wasn't for threads like this. Carry on, don't mind me.
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57Gregy
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 22:02:35
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Jonbouy
spacey
I bet it does seem strange to a drummer! lol.
To me Jon it's something I've never talked with other guitarist about.
Now that I'm carving them I wonder of the importance.
I'm really surprised and not sure why that so many - first- really don't care, second- that they prefer a thicker
neck....I wouldn't have guessed that!
It seems to answer my question about why the specs aren't listed.
It also might....I'm going out on a limb....explain why some don't want to buy without playing them.
They don't know or care and just go on feel....NOT a bad thing. Even if they knew the exact neck
they preferred the information is not always readily available.- I think that's weird when you know they
want internet business.
I see a change coming. With CNC and internet we're going to see these spec's more and there are
going to be more guitarist speaking in thousandths or exact mm choices on their necks.
Of course I could be all wet.
It's the only thing that I do find weird in that given the exacting specs that guitars have gone through with trends over the years that necks haven't come under that kind of scrutiny.
Fashions come and go but it is funny how it always seems to come back down to pretty much the two basic designs introduced by Leo Fender and Les Paul mid-last century, however adventurous makers have tried to be over the years.
Mind you last time I was trading guitars was in the late-eighties when I had to deal with various eye injuries caused by pointy headstocks. I wouldn't know what was around these days if it wasn't for threads like this.
Carry on, don't mind me.
JB, maybe you can start a thread on the difference between cast rims and pressed rims.
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mgh
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 22:04:22
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Jonbouy
Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
If that's the question how come this thread has taken 2 pages... ?
Ahh I get it, it not because there is a vast mind to pick it's because having a small mind makes it hard too choose between;
a: the best type of neck shape, and
b: the shape type that is better than anyone elses.
Am I right?
Yes?
No?
Maybe?
Yes and No?
jon, the one page thread is wot hi-hat touse....:-)
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 22:19:04
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Hey Jonbouy, as a recently revived drummer myself, Im going to start a thread regarding some difficulties I'm having. I've been to every music store in New York, and searched the interweb for weeks now, and I can't find a single pair of left handed drum sticks. And the looks I get from the clerks is just......well.......inexplicable.
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 22:28:46
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rsp@odyssey.net
Hey Jonbouy, as a recently revived drummer myself, Im going to start a thread regarding some difficulties I'm having. I've been to every music store in New York, and searched the interweb for weeks now, and I can't find a single pair of left handed drum sticks. And the looks I get from the clerks is just......well.......inexplicable.
Randy
Are you fricking serious? You just switch hands with the sticks.
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 22:45:31
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rsp@odyssey.net
Hey Jonbouy, as a recently revived drummer myself, Im going to start a thread regarding some difficulties I'm having. I've been to every music store in New York, and searched the interweb for weeks now, and I can't find a single pair of left handed drum sticks. And the looks I get from the clerks is just......well.......inexplicable.
Randy
When I lived in Denver, there was a store in Cinderella City that catered to the left-handed. Some items were obvious gag gifts, like left-handed screwdrivers, pens and pencils, etc., but they had some useful wares also. Lefty can openers and scissors to pricey items like left-handed firearms. They probably had some of those sticks you're looking for. Got a time machine?
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Russell.Whaley
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 23:07:43
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spacey
Russell that's a great looking bass and sports great reviews...and discontinued?
I sure wish neck spec's were listed. It seems to me if they want internet customers they'd
supply all the pertinent info. At least they give scale length. I'm curious if scale length and neck thickness
have a big effect on the B string. I'm thinking the scale length should and thickness is going to contribute to the tone as Drew mentioned. Your thoughts? Does 35" and 34" have an effect on the B of the 5 string?
I love this bass. It's a real gem, fits me to a tee. And a great deal - Musicians Friend had it on clearance, so I saved a couple hundred to boot. The neck is wide; I wouldn't call it thin, but it's not chunky, either. The action is superb and the sustain excellent. The longer 35" scale does improve things with that bottom string. I read somewhere that the extra length is what allows the low B to be tuned at a proper tension, whereas with a shorter scale neck, you would have your upper strings in tune and the low B too loose to give a clear tone.
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Rbh
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/19 23:23:55
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As long as the action is appropriate to the type of guitar, then the specific contour doesn't seem to matter to me. I've owner over 20 guitars and I've been playing over 30 years and what does matter is the spacing between the body and the strings oddly enough. I have to pay attention going between from a hollow body to a strat because that body to neck angle is slightly different.
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/20 15:03:37
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I prefer guitarists with wider necks. I found that the skinny-necked guitarists can't take the same amount of abuse. How many times have you gotten to the gig only to find out that your guitarist's neck snapped as you were stuffing him into the trunk? I mean, sure, the whining stopped. Once the head's spun around a couple of times, you don't hear the complaining anymore, but then you've got to prop him up on stage even more than usual. On the positive side, solos tend to be shorter.
Upon reflection, there's a possibility that I may have missed the point of this thread.
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/20 15:50:17
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marcos69
rsp@odyssey.net
Hey Jonbouy, as a recently revived drummer myself, Im going to start a thread regarding some difficulties I'm having. I've been to every music store in New York, and searched the interweb for weeks now, and I can't find a single pair of left handed drum sticks. And the looks I get from the clerks is just......well.......inexplicable.
Randy
Are you fricking serious? You just switch hands with the sticks.
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/20 19:03:22
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I like a medium sized C Cup Neck. Many of the strats I have checked out & or owned seemed too thinck & fatigued my fingers. But then again I play alot of ska, reggae kinda stuff which is generally a ton of power cord variations with a bunch of left hand muting involved, so it wears on ya anyway. I have grown to prefer tele styles. My main axe is a neck through carvin TL60 custom. I love it. I need to take a pic & post later. I also own a couple Ibanez, a washburn, & my newes toy is a dillion tele (copy). Nice guitar for the money.
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spacey
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Re:Can I pick guitarists minds ?....
2011/01/20 19:35:45
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I think if we could look back to this thread years down the road
the reply's would seem....like guess work.
I think it demonstrates that we simply go by feel. Even if we
have a preferred neck it's known by it's feel.
With the introduction of CNC building with repeatable accuracy that
luthiers cannot compete with I believe guitarists and manufacturers
will "dial in".
The "feel" is a combination of things, not only the contour of the neck.
I imagine the answer's or reply's will become something like;
I prefer a "C" contour, .76-.82 , (being at 1st and 12th fret) with 6150 frets
and nut settings of ,012, .014, .015 .015, .015, .018 with 3250R Fender strings.
Neck radius 12". ( thickness is measured from back of neck to top of fret so fret
crown is a factor )
Arbitrary numbers for example but within reason.
Manufacturers will need another "edge" and satisfying the player is just that.
I can't see where dialing in their machine to whittle out exactly what the player
wants is a problem. It is however just my guess that guitarist will see this but I
also think it's a strong probablity.
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