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Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's number?
Hi there, I've been really annoyed by selecting tracks in sonar x1.
I want to be able to move up and down with my arrows on keyboard and actually have the track I moved to selected, and not just highlighted in a very non-useful way, I wanna use my key bindings on a certain track without having to use the mouse to select it(which is the whole point of key bindings- you don't have to use the mouse, and it saves time this way),
same goes for selecting with the mouse, can I change how I need to specifically click the Number of the track for it to be selected? all other spots on the track control just make it highlighted when you click.
thx in advance, Ofer.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 15:44:16
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Anyone got an idea?
No idea here...but also - you can't SOLO a track unless the track # is highlighted. In previous versions you only had to select a track anywhere in its header and SOLO/MUTE keybindings would work. Sigh. Another workflow inhibitor for me.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 15:56:38
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No idea here...but also - you can't SOLO a track unless the track # is highlighted. In previous versions you only had to select a track anywhere in its header and SOLO/MUTE keybindings would work.
Sigh. Another workflow inhibitor for me.
...same here... I hate to say it, but too many "inhibitors" are turning out.... ...still I can't help it... why on earth did they change so many estabilished transparent features, as it used to be....?
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 16:16:33
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ba_midi
No idea here...but also - you can't SOLO a track unless the track # is highlighted. In previous versions you only had to select a track anywhere in its header and SOLO/MUTE keybindings would work.
Sigh. Another workflow inhibitor for me.
...same here... I hate to say it, but too many "inhibitors" are turning out....
...still I can't help it... why on earth did they change so many estabilished transparent features, as it used to be....?
I actually understand why they wanted to update the look and feel, I just think they weren't thorough and perhaps they aren't actually using their program to make music. I don't know. There are some things that definitely make me scratch my head trying to figure out their thinking in some areas of the new version, that's for sure.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 16:51:32
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I actually understand why they wanted to update the look and feel, I just think they weren't thorough and perhaps they aren't actually using their program to make music. I don't know.
There are some things that definitely make me scratch my head trying to figure out their thinking in some areas of the new version, that's for sure.
Yeah... sure they wanted to update it... that's reasonable... only they exceeded quite a bit, IMO.... ...I have the overall "feeling" that something DEEP has been lost, in favour of something supposed to be "simpler"... I have always appreciated SONAR for it being a real "powerhouse", not for being something "easy"....!!!
Only time will tell, but...again, at present I feel like we have LOST something instead of gaining... sigh....
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 16:54:59
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This may or may not help but try in Keybindings "Solo all selected tracks" under Track View.
To have the solo work with the keybinging of your choice try Enter on the hi-lighted track.
Also the solo button works.
If you have a CS and it has solo buttons they should work too.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:07:25
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John
This may or may not help but try in Keybindings "Solo all selected tracks" under Track View.
To have the solo work with the keybinging of your choice try Enter on the hi-lighted track.
Also the solo button works.
If you have a CS and it has solo buttons they should work too.
John, You see - this is where actually having the program and using does make a difference. I hate to keep harping on that, but there are things you simply are not seeing or experiencing. You cannot solo a track with the keybind unless you select it by clicking on the TRACK # itself. This is an issue as it really slows a workflow down. In the past we could just select anywhere in the track header, not being forced to explicitly click on the track # to solo/mute, etc. You can't know that though because you haven't tried it - because you can't. So, sure, you response is fine unto itself but it lacks the understanding of some limitations that now exist that didn't exist before. Damn, I'lll buy you the program if I have to just to get you on board in reality-land!
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:11:25
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There are a lot of new limitations that sit comfortably beside all the old limitations. a couple of things got easier, but most take more clicks and more effort than they ever did.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:21:31
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John
This may or may not help but try in Keybindings "Solo all selected tracks" under Track View.
To have the solo work with the keybinging of your choice try Enter on the hi-lighted track.
Also the solo button works.
If you have a CS and it has solo buttons they should work too.
John,
You see - this is where actually having the program and using does make a difference.
I hate to keep harping on that, but there are things you simply are not seeing or experiencing.
You cannot solo a track with the keybind unless you select it by clicking on the TRACK # itself. This is an issue as it really slows a workflow down.
In the past we could just select anywhere in the track header, not being forced to explicitly click on the track # to solo/mute, etc.
You can't know that though because you haven't tried it - because you can't.
So, sure, you response is fine unto itself but it lacks the understanding of some limitations that now exist that didn't exist before.
Damn, I'lll buy you the program if I have to just to get you on board in reality-land!
Billy you assume things that may or may not be true. And by harping on something that you can't have any real knowledge about you misinform without knowing that you are. You must have a general idea about me by now. Have you ever seen me say anything that I couldn't back up? Do I shoot from the hip as a rule? We may not agree all the time but I thought we did have a great deal of respect for one another. Because I said I do not have X1 does not also mean I do not have access to it. Quite different things. I don't give instructions from made up procedures. Did you even bother to try the way a laid out for this? Did you know that the enter key is now more important? Further I did not go anywhere here then to try to answer the OP question. I use the procedure he was using that is using the computer keyboard and the arrow keys to hi-light a track I hit the solo keybinding and hit enter. It may not be of your choosing but it may be helpful to the OP.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:22:32
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...the understanding of some limitations that now exist that didn't exist before.
10Ten
There are a lot of new limitations that sit comfortably beside all the old limitations. a couple of things got easier, butmost take more clicks and more effort than they ever did.
...perfect SUMMARY of what's frustrating us at the moment with X1...
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:30:39
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10Ten
There are a lot of new limitations that sit comfortably beside all the old limitations. a couple of things got easier, but most take more clicks and more effort than they ever did.
Agreed.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:33:10
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John
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John
This may or may not help but try in Keybindings "Solo all selected tracks" under Track View.
To have the solo work with the keybinging of your choice try Enter on the hi-lighted track.
Also the solo button works.
If you have a CS and it has solo buttons they should work too.
John,
You see - this is where actually having the program and using does make a difference.
I hate to keep harping on that, but there are things you simply are not seeing or experiencing.
You cannot solo a track with the keybind unless you select it by clicking on the TRACK # itself. This is an issue as it really slows a workflow down.
In the past we could just select anywhere in the track header, not being forced to explicitly click on the track # to solo/mute, etc.
You can't know that though because you haven't tried it - because you can't.
So, sure, you response is fine unto itself but it lacks the understanding of some limitations that now exist that didn't exist before.
Damn, I'lll buy you the program if I have to just to get you on board in reality-land!
Billy you assume things that may or may not be true. And by harping on something that you can't have any real knowledge about you misinform without knowing that you are. You must have a general idea about me by now. Have you ever seen me say anything that I couldn't back up? Do I shoot from the hip as a rule? We may not agree all the time but I thought we did have a great deal of respect for one another.
Because I said I do not have X1 does not also mean I do not have access to it. Quite different things.
I don't give instructions from made up procedures.
Did you even bother to try the way a laid out for this? Did you know that the enter key is now more important?
Did you actually read what I wrote about how one MUST click on the track # now? And of course I know how to use keybindings and the other things you mentioned. Do you know how to use X1???? DO YOU have access to and *use* X1??? Come on John. This is becoming absurd now. It's unbecoming of you.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:34:33
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Billy you assume things that may or may not be true. And by harping on something that you can't have any real knowledge about you misinform without knowing that you are. I must add, my friend. It is you who is misinformed lately. Get in the rocket ship and start driving.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:36:02
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Did you actually read what I wrote about how one MUST click on the track # now? Funny I didn't have to. The arrow keys will hi-light the track there is no need to click on the number.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:38:21
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John
Did you actually read what I wrote about how one MUST click on the track # now? Funny I didn't have to. The arrow keys will hi-light the track there is no need to click on the number.
OH man, you just don't get it. Look up Dunning Kruger.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 17:58:18
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Well it appears to work sometimes and not others. Why that is I don't know.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 18:06:27
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John
Well it appears to work sometimes and not others. Why that is I don't know.
I've noticed.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 18:25:30
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FWIW I NEVER understood the logic of Sonar to be able to have a DIFFERENT track "focused" (highlighted) and a DIFFERENT track selected Can anyone tell me what exactly this feature helps with? What function would a user loose if a "selected" track was automatically "focused" (highlighted) to clarify: by selecting a track in Sonar, it also gets the focus, BUT by selecting for example a midi clip of a midi track, the track is focused but not selected Is there a functionally - workflow reason for this? Never ever really understood why..... *sorry for being a bit off-topic*
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 18:43:37
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FWIW I NEVER understood the logic of Sonar to be able to have a DIFFERENT track "focused" (highlighted) and a DIFFERENT track selected
Can anyone tell me what exactly this feature helps with?
What function would a user loose if a "selected" track was automatically "focused" (highlighted)
to clarify: by selecting a track in Sonar, it also gets the focus,
BUT by selecting for example a midi clip of a midi track, the track is focused but not selected
Is there a functionally - workflow reason for this?
Never ever really understood why.....
*sorry for being a bit off-topic*
Actually this functionality has both pros and cons, of course. But I quite like it in some situations (and it's not that way now in X1). I'm running out the door, but I will make an effort to come back and discuss this, as I think it's an interesting thing to discuss with respect to workflow.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 18:54:47
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Yeah please do, my question wasn't a trick question. I have never ecountered a situation where the "focus", "selection" of a track helped me by being different but I have many times felt the oposite was the case: editing a midi clip, inspector is open, and while editing midi Im watching the Inspector thinking of adding a midi plug in, I add the plug in, guuuuuhhhhhh, the inspector was open for a DIFFERENT midi track because I hadnt selected the midi track of which the midi clip I was editing So, an example?
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 19:00:34
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John
Have you ever seen me say anything that I couldn't back up?
What security hardware can a 64 bit OS access and use that a 32 bit OS can't? (Something you claimed recently in another thread. I didn't see an answer when I asked you. My apologies if I missed the answer). UnderTow
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 19:09:45
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John
Have you ever seen me say anything that I couldn't back up?
What security hardware can a 64 bit OS access and use that a 32 bit OS can't? (Something you claimed recently in another thread. I didn't see an answer when I asked you. My apologies if I missed the answer).
UnderTow
Read about it here. Some more info. The main differences between the 32-bit versions of Windows Vista and the 64-bit versions of Windows Vista relate to memory accessibility, memory management, and enhanced security features. The security features that are available in the 64-bit versions of Windows Vista include the following: - Kernel Patch Protection
- Support for hardware-backed Data Execution Protection (DEP)
- Mandatory driver signing
- Removal of support for 32-bit drivers
- Removal of the 16-bit subsystem
One of the greatest advantages of using a 64-bit version of Windows Vista is the ability to access physical memory (RAM) that is above the 4-gigabyte (GB) range. This physical memory is not addressable by 32-bit versions of Windows Vista. Depending on the version of Windows Vista that is installed, a 64-bit version of Windows Vista supports from 1 GB of RAM to more than 128 GB of RAM. The ability to address more physical memory lets Windows Vista minimize the time that is required to swap processes in and out of physical memory. Therefore, Windows Vista can manage processes more efficiently. This memory management feature helps improve the overall performance of Windows Vista. The above is from the MS site listed as "some more information" above.
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 19:46:05
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FWIW I NEVER understood the logic of Sonar to be able to have a DIFFERENT track "focused" (highlighted) and a DIFFERENT track selected
Can anyone tell me what exactly this feature helps with?
What function would a user loose if a "selected" track was automatically "focused" (highlighted)
to clarify: by selecting a track in Sonar, it also gets the focus,
BUT by selecting for example a midi clip of a midi track, the track is focused but not selected
Is there a functionally - workflow reason for this?
Never ever really understood why.....
*sorry for being a bit off-topic*
I don't know if my answer is to the question you're asking, but I'll try. Sometimes when mixing, I'll be working on a specific track that will be selected, and after making a tweak or two it changes the relationship to another track. Without deselecting the track I'm working on I can highlight a clip in another track and process it without changing selections. For me, it speeds up my workflow by cutting down on the number of keystrokes I have to make. I hope this applies and clarifies things a bit. Lynn
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 20:04:16
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Thanks for the reply Lynn, I have further questions in order to understand then: You say you are working on a selected track - I take it you mean on the track parameters and not its actual content (clips) correct? because, the way I see it, in order to go back to working to the firstly selected track after having clicked on another track's clip still is clicking the clip of the first track in which case selection of "tracks" could have "moved" along with your clicking of clips, so to speak. Im sure Im missing something here since you say it makes it easier for you but for the life of me cant figure out what. The only thing I see convenient by this feature is the ability to work on the Track Inspector of a track and at the same time edit the clip of another track. Is this what you are referring to? edit: argh its getting late here and I gotta get some sleep even though I was very eager to continue this discussion, I'll drop in again tomorrow to check the thread out, goodnight to all and in case I dont "see you" in time have a Happy New Year
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 20:24:36
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Thanks for the reply Lynn, I have further questions in order to understand then:
You say you are working on a selected track - I take it you mean on the track parameters and not its actual content (clips) correct?
because, the way I see it, in order to go back to working to the firstly selected track after having clicked on another track's clip still is clicking the clip of the first track in which case selection of "tracks" could have "moved" along with your clicking of clips, so to speak.
Im sure Im missing something here since you say it makes it easier for you but for the life of me cant figure out what. The only thing I see convenient by this feature is the ability to work on the Track Inspector of a track and at the same time edit the clip of another track.
Is this what you are referring to?
I mean that I'm working with the clips of the selected track, perhaps just making minor changes after recording onto that track. If I hear a change between two clips on different channels, I can highlight a clip on a channel that I'm not recording on and process it or tweak it without deselecting the channel I'm recording on. That way if I want to rerecord onto my selected track then I don't have to reselect it. In my crazy way of working, I mix as I go along, and this saves time for me. BTW, it's really cool to be able to converse with you being on another continent. I suddenly get the subtle, tongue-in-cheek humor of your user name. Let us in the U.S. know how the new year is, as you'll be experiencing it before we do.l Cheers
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2010/12/30 23:28:21
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Lynn
thegeek
Thanks for the reply Lynn, I have further questions in order to understand then:
You say you are working on a selected track - I take it you mean on the track parameters and not its actual content (clips) correct?
because, the way I see it, in order to go back to working to the firstly selected track after having clicked on another track's clip still is clicking the clip of the first track in which case selection of "tracks" could have "moved" along with your clicking of clips, so to speak.
Im sure Im missing something here since you say it makes it easier for you but for the life of me cant figure out what. The only thing I see convenient by this feature is the ability to work on the Track Inspector of a track and at the same time edit the clip of another track.
Is this what you are referring to?
I mean that I'm working with the clips of the selected track, perhaps just making minor changes after recording onto that track. If I hear a change between two clips on different channels, I can highlight a clip on a channel that I'm not recording on and process it or tweak it without deselecting the channel I'm recording on. That way if I want to rerecord onto my selected track then I don't have to reselect it. In my crazy way of working, I mix as I go along, and this saves time for me. BTW, it's really cool to be able to converse with you being on another continent. I suddenly get the subtle, tongue-in-cheek humor of your user name. Let us in the U.S. know how the new year is, as you'll be experiencing it before we do.l
Cheers
Lynn, This example is one I would have given as well. It also has to do with using the Global "always echo current track" setting if you're recording. Another example is a project with a ton of tracks that scroll off the screen. I may want to add a part that is at the bottom of the screen and becomes the 'active' track to record, but still see clips way up above in order to sync with them (not just in time but in groove or whatever). It really isn't that much different in X1 btw. The main change I can see is that the CV gets selected as well (which is actually good for the most part).
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
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Lynn
I mean that I'm working with the clips of the selected track, perhaps just making minor changes after recording onto that track. If I hear a change between two clips on different channels, I can highlight a clip on a channel that I'm not recording on and process it or tweak it without deselecting the channel I'm recording on. That way if I want to rerecord onto my selected track then I don't have to reselect it. In my crazy way of working, I mix as I go along, and this saves time for me. BTW, it's really cool to be able to converse with you being on another continent. I suddenly get the subtle, tongue-in-cheek humor of your user name. Let us in the U.S. know how the new year is, as you'll be experiencing it before we do.l
Cheers
Sorry for the delay in my reply! It was one hell of a New Year's Eve and first day! ;) Ok, now that Im sober...... Totally understand now the situation-workflow you describe. Crazy way of working? Naaaah, it sounds ok to me! ;) As for the ability to have a discussion with another person so far away, living in such a different world....Yeah I totally agree! Imagine having a discussion about real day life, routines, daily schedule, human behaviour around you, all those litle details. Wouldn't that be a REAL mind-opener? I always think about this. Aaaaanyway...... Ba_midi: Yeah I totally get that too. Happy New Year guys
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
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Still I agree that selecting a track should not be reduced to a small area.
Could this be changed without affecting anything else?
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Re:Can I select track in an easier way other than clicking the SMALL button with it's numb
2011/01/02 07:11:11
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jimknopf
Still I agree that selecting a track should not be reduced to a small area.
Could this be changed without affecting anything else?
I may have mentioned this elsewhere, but one thing that changed which actulaly - for me - is not for the better: PReviously I could click anywhere in a track header and still have my keybindings worked for SOLO or MUTE. Now we are forced to click on the 'track #" specifically for them to work. That slows me down. I wish it were not the case. WOOPS - I see I did mention this a few times LOL Oh well. Still a fact ;)
post edited by ba_midi - 2011/01/02 07:12:12
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