Helpful ReplyCan I use Sonar to test my audio interface SPDIF out and back in loop?

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2016/05/09 22:29:26 (permalink)

Can I use Sonar to test my audio interface SPDIF out and back in loop?

I'm trying to use the spdif on my audio interface for the first time and experiencing some difficulties with hardware connectivity I think. I'm wondering if I can trouble shoot from within Sonar. I have a focusrite Saffire Pro 10 io that works fine connected to Win 7 PC running Sonar X3. I am trying to use the SPDIF output of an ART Digital MPA II into the SPDIF input of the Saffire then into Sonar. I've not been successful and actually each time I try connecting them, the Saffire seems to keep restarting. I've tried various matching sample rates with the same results.
 
Focusrite tech support suggested testing the SPDIF input by looping the SPDIF output to the input on the Saffire and routing audio out and back in and seeing if I could record that audio. My question in regards to Sonar is can I do this all within Sonar? In other words can I say, import a stereo audio track and assign it's output to the SPDIF of the Saffire and arm another track to record with it's input set to the SPDIF of the Saffire device?
 
I've tried and it doesn't seem to be working, should it?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: Can I use Sonar to test my audio interface SPDIF out and back in loop? 2016/05/10 00:41:29 (permalink)
Most likely you can.  I have a Saffire Le and am able to do this (if I understand your post correctly).  I use a cable with a standard phono plug at each end to loop between SPDIF in and out.  I then created an Audio track with some audio in it and set the send to the SPDIF (marked as Channel 5 since I have 4 analog inputs).  I then created another Audio track with Channel 5 as the input and can see the audio come across from one track to the other.  I checked that this is going through the SPDIF by unplugging the phono plugs.  Under these conditions the second channel doesn't show anything coming in.  The Saffire LE only has two channels of SPDIF so it is easy for me to select.  Yours may have more channels available so the choice of Channel may be different.
  
With respect to your issue, I do know that the setting for sampling frequency (e.g. 44.1, 48 ...) has to be set the same in the card and the ART Digital MPA II but it sounds like you have already investigated this.
post edited by RD9 - 2016/05/10 01:47:17
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Re: Can I use Sonar to test my audio interface SPDIF out and back in loop? 2016/05/10 06:38:21 (permalink)
I used a Mindprint Diport with a similar setup som years ago - spdif out to dac in Diport and spdif input from it as well.
 
Things to look out for is which is master and slave in the connection - soundcard settings.
And if 44k or 48k.
And also if this unit is turned on or not will affect how soundcard sync it all.
 
Then Sonar has a sync setting for record and playback - which input clock is used.
 
So it's just trying out these what works the best - but focus on soundcard first of all.
And in Sonar if looping back - don't activate Echo monitoring since it may cause feedback issues.
I'm most familiar with RME cards and don't remember how Focusrite handle sync.
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Re: Can I use Sonar to test my audio interface SPDIF out and back in loop? 2016/05/10 07:02:36 (permalink)
my guess is the Saffire or Scarlett MixControl sonftware routing needs to be set up.

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Re: Can I use Sonar to test my audio interface SPDIF out and back in loop? 2016/05/10 07:42:47 (permalink)
Thanks for the help/suggestions. After testing per focusrite's suggestion, it appears the input on the Saffire may not be working correctly. Back to see what they say next.
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Re: Can I use Sonar to test my audio interface SPDIF out and back in loop? 2016/05/10 11:28:11 (permalink)
timoelli
Thanks for the help/suggestions. After testing per focusrite's suggestion, it appears the input on the Saffire may not be working correctly. Back to see what they say next.


just take a lookys how the mix controls work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV6u7w15bq4
 
this might be your issue, not a defective output, exc.

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Re: Can I use Sonar to test my audio interface SPDIF out and back in loop? 2016/05/10 17:38:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2016/05/10 18:21:57
^ +1
 
i would start by taking sonar and everything out of the equation..
1. connect focusrite spdif out to spdif in
2. use mixcontrol to send computer audio out only on the spdif
3. ...and also to route spdif in to mains out.
 
95% of spdif issues are assignment of clock master.

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