Can Sonar do clip gains like this?

This video is showing the Klanghelm VU meter, but I am interested in the method used for gain changes in the clip. Can I get close using Sonar? Look at around 6:44 into the video to see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px-r3HHV6aA
thanks!

Watch this video for a really cool way to adjust Clip Gain in SONAR that no one seems to know about...
 

 
Although the following is a specialized use case involving a different application, it seemed appropriate to mention that if you're working with beats, you can do precise clip gain changes easily in the loop construction window.
 

I think the assumption is if your audio needs 36 dB of gain, you'd want to bring the level up before doing automation.
 
But -  note I added a video to my post above (the one with the loop construction window option) about a different way to do really fast, multiple clip gain automation adjustments. Are you familiar with this technique? It's a huge time-saver. 

Anderton
I think the assumption is if your audio needs 36 dB of gain, you'd want to bring the level up before doing automation.
 
But -  note I added a video to my post above (the one with the loop construction window option) about a different way to do really fast, multiple clip gain automation adjustments. Are you familiar with this technique? It's a huge time-saver. 

But occasionally you're working with a clip that is too low in gain to be corrected with the envelope method you showed above (which I use all the time).
 
In that case, I use Process | Apply Effect | Gain. That works fine, but it would be nice if there were a more direct way to get it done. SONAR (or maybe pre-SONAR Cakewalk Pro Audio) clips used to have a little gain button on the corner that would turn the whole clip up or down.

Mr Anderton: I'll check it out.
what I saw in the video was the user picking an area and then adjusting the gain. No Nodes, and the waveform display shrunk or grew as the gain was changed. Seemed smooth and easy that way......

Mr Anderton:
That video you provided is at least halfway there!
How do the Nodes get generated? I thought I had to place them but the video shows them being created without all the mouse clicking. It would be nice to see the waveform change though.....
 

You can drag select along the bottom portion of the clip too, no need to use the time ruler.
 

Mr Anderton:
Thanks for the responses. You mentioned " only a few seconds ". Maybe the video got cut off or something, but I see three sections picked and the gain envelope changed but that it. Last for 18 seconds. Also, can you tell me the key combo to do this( alt, shift or whatever)?
thanks.

By the way......maybe a candidate for friday tips?

scottfa
Mr Anderton:
Thanks for the responses. You mentioned " only a few seconds ". Maybe the video got cut off or something, but I see three sections picked and the gain envelope changed but that it. Last for 18 seconds.

 I meant that the video was only a few seconds, you wouldn't have to sit through a lot to see it happen.

scottfa
By the way......maybe a candidate for friday tips?

Yes, I'll do something with all the details for the Friday tip. It will be a video with captions for each step.  

Sanderxpander
 
This must simply be a different approach to evening out clips within a track then. I use the clip gain envelopes mostly for that, and the track volume envelope for actual volume automation...[snip]...Do you use the destructive gain adjust process for that then? I can't see how that would be in any way quicker than clip gain envelopes. Or maybe some other way that I'm not considering at the moment?

I usually use Melodyne (see above). However if the vocal only needs a few touch-ups, I sometimes use destructive gain for a couple reasons. 
 
1. After a song is done, I export every track as a WAV audio file to have a fail-safe backup suitable for being opened in any DAW, now or in the future. Adding gain to a track that's reaching the limit of its available headroom won't cause clipping during playback within SONAR, but will clip when exported because the extra gain is applied as part of the rendering process. Of course I could always exempt the export from automation, but then the clip will not follow the correct levels.
2. For vocals that only need a little bit of a touch up, I have Normalize (not always set to 0, of course) and Gain Change on keyboard shortcuts. So the clickstream to make one predictable change is: Click+drag to define area to be normalized, keyboard shortcut, enter. 
 

Because as you know, clip gain is pre-fx, it makes little sense to use it as actual automation most of the time.

 
Actually being pre-FX is why I do use it for automation. Clip automation makes it easy to fine-tune the amount of drive with distortion, as well as hit a compressor a little harder or a little softer. 

Anderton

Sanderxpander
 
This must simply be a different approach to evening out clips within a track then. I use the clip gain envelopes mostly for that, and the track volume envelope for actual volume automation...[snip]...Do you use the destructive gain adjust process for that then? I can't see how that would be in any way quicker than clip gain envelopes. Or maybe some other way that I'm not considering at the moment?

I usually use Melodyne (see above). However if the vocal only needs a few touch-ups, I sometimes use destructive gain for a couple reasons. 
 
1. After a song is done, I export every track as a WAV audio file to have a fail-safe backup suitable for being opened in any DAW, now or in the future. Adding gain to a track that's reaching the limit of its available headroom won't cause clipping during playback within SONAR, but will clip when exported because the extra gain is applied as part of the rendering process. Of course I could always exempt the export from automation, but then the clip will not follow the correct levels.
2. For vocals that only need a little bit of a touch up, I have Normalize (not always set to 0, of course) and Gain Change on keyboard shortcuts. So the clickstream to make one predictable change is: Click+drag to define area to be normalized, keyboard shortcut, enter. 
 

Because as you know, clip gain is pre-fx, it makes little sense to use it as actual automation most of the time.

 
Actually being pre-FX is why I do use it for automation. Clip automation makes it easy to fine-tune the amount of drive with distortion, as well as hit a compressor a little harder or a little softer. 

Well yes you COULD use clip gain to regulate the drive to distortion and compression more but that strikes me as a rather specific/unique use for it. I don't mean to argue who is using a feature more "as intended" than the other person but I dare say it's not so strange to want to use clip gain to even out clip levels and track volume automation for volume automation. This is the way it works in most DAWs. After all, if  you want to automate clip gain to drive distortion/compression you could just as easily automate the gain on your distortion/compression plugin.
 
I realize, again, that there are ways around the limited amount of gain you can get from clip gain automation but it would certainly be useful for those of use that use clip gain to even out clips to increase the boost range. I don't recall if this is a standard shortcut but CTRL+B is bounce to clips for me, I could even use that to destructively alter clip gain really quickly if the envelope allowed me a bigger range. That would allow for almost the same workflow you have right now except that you could quickly drag the desired amount up or down (or even an envelope) and bounce it for a destructive edit.
 
Melodyne is an interesting choice, I should try it more often for these duties. It's not always just a vocal though, and not always on a per note basis, so again the use is pretty specific.

Sanderxpander
I think that first part is a bit of a cop-out :) 
I get where you're coming from and obviously there are easy ways to work around it, but you can't pretend you've never had a situation where it wouldn't be quicker if you could extend the envelope to 9 or 12dB. But that's something for the feature request forum. 
 
Thanks for the video, I'll check it out.

To me, this is like gain staging... stage the gain before using clip gain. Ha ha. I like the range of clip gain. Maybe I'm just used to it.

I suppose there are cases where I split a clip around a range and normalize it into range with fast fades around the clip boundaries.

Would it be better without those fast fades? Maybe, but I've never been able to hear it. Even after I mix it, listening later I have no idea where I did it.

maybe this could be talked about in the new cake tv that Dan is doing