morganfm71
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Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
I keep my hardware faders way down because the physical volume control on my monitors is in the back. It's a pain in the neck to set, so I leave them at 12 o'clock.
If I leave my audio interface hardware fader (in Sonar) at unity while working, the volume would be painful.
When I am ready to export audio, I have to make sure to raise the hardware fader to unity or the overall output of the exported file will be affected.
Sometimes I forget to do that and my exported files are so low in volume that I have to redo the whole process.
Worse, sometimes I forget to LOWER the fader back down to start working again and I blow my ears out as soon as I hit play.
Any thoughts?
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 07:19:44
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Huh?
How can Sonar ever be aware of the position of your hardware fader?
If your Export is low in volume then there's something wrong with your export procedure, nowt to do with hardware outside of Sonar.
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 07:33:30
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I would look into controlling your listening volume at your interface, which may also have software control.
Short of that would it not make more sense to adjust your physical monitor settings so the maximum level is indeed the maximum level you would ever want to listen at?
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 07:49:47
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The volume of the exported files are only dependent on the "volume, pan & gain" what you see at the left of the track.
If you have motorfaders setting this controls you need to set them to "0".
Therefor I have an analog mixer to control the speaker volume so that the controls in Sonar are not affected.
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 08:18:07
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☼ Best Answerby morganfm71 2015/09/29 01:11:22
If I understand you are setting the level at the mains in your project. If you want you can override these at bounce time by choosing source category buses and then pick just the Master bus (the one that all other buses send to which is the final output stage in the mix)
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 08:18:29
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I can fully appreciate the OP. I think what is being asked is, "Can export be done 'pre master fader'?" I would love to have this as an export option
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 08:58:06
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☄ Helpfulby morganfm71 2015/09/29 01:11:42
Pick up a mackie big knob for cheap, and control your monitor volume with hardware. Keep your software/hardware volumes at unity.
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 09:12:42
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Pick up a mackie big knob for cheap, and control your monitor volume with hardware. Keep your software/hardware volumes at unity.
I already do that with a Samson C-Control. Works great.
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 09:46:34
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BobF
I can fully appreciate the OP. I think what is being asked is, "Can export be done 'pre master fader'?" I would love to have this as an export option
You can easily set this up yourself can't you? Just insert a buss called Pre-Master and route all of your other busses to it. Route the Pre-master to the master.
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 09:55:53
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BobF
I can fully appreciate the OP. I think what is being asked is, "Can export be done 'pre master fader'?" I would love to have this as an export option
You can easily set this up yourself can't you?
Just insert a buss called Pre-Master and route all of your other busses to it.
Route the Pre-master to the master.
Great idea! Even easier, route Master to a new stereo bus with the desired hardware output selected. Then in the bounce source category dialog, select buses > Master Only one additional bus routing selection this way. Save as a preset and we're off and running. Thanks Jonesy ... sometimes we just need to stand back a little bit
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/28 10:00:13
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That's ok mate, I've been setting up my templates this way for years. it's second nature by now.
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/29 00:56:00
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Bristol_Jonesey
Huh?
How can Sonar ever be aware of the position of your hardware fader?
If your Export is low in volume then there's something wrong with your export procedure, nowt to do with hardware outside of Sonar.
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morganfm71
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/29 00:59:58
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Ah. Yes. Thank you all for the good ideas.
I think the best solution for me is to get one of those physical volume controls.
I work at different times of the day which require extreme variations in volume so I can't just set the monitor's own volume control at the loudest I would ever want it.
I tried using my audio interface's master volume (software mixer) but that is a pain in the neck for me.
Selecting a specific bus during export could work well in the interim.
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/29 03:40:03
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This is where we differ - I keep all of the outputs feeding into my interface at 0dB, always and without exception, but I control my monitoring volume externally through a small mixing desk.
If you keep them as low as you are showing in your screenshot then your exports will not be utilising anything like the full resolution of your converters resulting in a degradation of your final product.
The specific bus for export will work but you must keep it at 0dB. If this results in clipping then the entire gain staging of the project needs to be looked at and attenuated appropriately.
Good luck!
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/29 04:11:19
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For $55 there is the TC Electronic Level Pilot. It has no power supply and is passive. Probably going to get that. The other hardware options are too expensive. In addition, many of the reviews claim an audible degradation of sound and/or coloration. Has anyone used the TC Electronic Level Pilot?
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/29 04:16:00
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Bristol_Jonesey
If you keep them as low as you are showing in your screenshot then your exports will not be utilising anything like the full resolution of your converters resulting in a degradation of your final product.
I don't keep my master faders like that when I export. I keep them like that when I am working in the middle of the night and my family is asleep. I do all critical work with the master faders at unity. All of my exports are done at unity. None of my tracks clip anywhere in the signal chain.
post edited by morganfm71 - 2015/09/29 04:26:23
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/29 05:20:08
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/29 08:18:58
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There is nothing wrong with setting the mains levels like you are doing. That's what the gainstage there is for - its a built in hardware gainstage for those that don't have an easy control on the hardware.
The only small downside to setting those is that you have to remember to ignore it in your mix like I suggested. Also its not a global setting but per project.
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Re: Can You Export Audio while ignoring Hardware Fader Position
2015/09/30 00:37:00
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There is nothing wrong with setting the mains levels like you are doing. That's what the gainstage there is for - its a built in hardware gainstage for those that don't have an easy control on the hardware.
The only small downside to setting those is that you have to remember to ignore it in your mix like I suggested. Also its not a global setting but per project.
Thanks for the qualified technical input.
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