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Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
I have played keyboards for well over 40 years. Started on piano but quickly moved into synths and a bit of organ, though the vast majority of my organ experience is really synth/workstation. I am pretty familiar w guitars and guitar styles of playing buthave only tried to pick up playing guitar a few times over the years. That was ok when I played in a few bands but now I try to incorporate guitar through vst and while I find it fun, I sometimes wonder if I should just really learn to play myself. So, my question is: can a motivated strictly amateur/hobbyist musician who is pretty good w keyboards realistically expect to be able to become a decent guitarist? Or should I just stick to vsts.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 17:29:55
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Motivated is the key word. and if you are (which it sounds as if you are) you should have no problem at all. You Tube may be the best the bet for learning beginner exercises. then build up your practice repertoire. the hardest part in my opinion is eye hand co ordination. . and technique. Soloing will take a bit longer. but you have an advantage that other beginners do not. you know music theory. you chord theory and such (from playing keys) this will help in your venture. getting yourself a guitar will be difficult unless you know what you are looking for. most beginners simply buy something cheap. that has its downfalls. smaller necks are easier to play, but harder to hit notes clean with pin point accuracy. wider necks are easier to fret notes precisely but are not as easy to grip. but that all goes with preference as well. I would pick up a used squire (Fender squire) they are cheap but still hold some quality about them. but that's of course your choice. good luck on your journey.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 17:32:03
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Short answer: yes you can. Of course, the kind of technique and skill required to really play keepable session takes is another story. But I've had great success with learning enough to rough-in parts and get the more complicated or prominent stuff overdubbed by someone who can play better than me. It's a good exercise though, just get a guitar and start noodling on it. Learn a few chords to screw around with and then just practice separate picking casually. I often sit with a guitar just picking one string/one finger at a time up and down while I watch TV. I helped a LOT.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 18:16:51
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One of my sons has an Gibson SG and a Mexistrat. He leaves the Mexistrat home. I figure thats good enough for me to use.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 18:41:37
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I think Chuck nailed it with the "motivated" part. You have theory, and the next big hurdle is finger callouses, so an electric (i.e., the Mexistrat) is a good choice. Folk chords are universal, as are barre chords. The nice "cheat" with barre chords is that the left hand has 3 positions only for all major/minor chords with the root on the low E or A string (the major fingering rooted on the low E string is identical to the minor rooted on the A string, standard tuning). With those three positions, and knowledge of the notes on those two strings, you can get off to a running start in a hurry. Early on, stick with standard tuning, since most help is there, and learn "right handed" even if you are a lefty, for the same reason. Don't get too involved with effects early on, but work more on left hand dexterity (switching chords), and right hand precision (alternate/sweep picking and string location with your hand "anchored" as feels best for you). Be realistic with expectations (know yourself), enjoy the journey, and all is good.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 19:45:02
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☄ Helpfulby morganfm71 2016/10/09 22:43:16
I teach guitar, bass and music theory part time and I have and or had a number of what I call bucket list students. That is retirees how wanted to learn guitar. Most all succeed with those that didn't have medical issues, mostly arthritis or trigger finger. Neither was caused by playing guitar. You have the theory and the ability to read music. All you need to do is to know where to put your fingers. I would suggest a good instructor so you do not develop bad habits. Bad habits are harder to cure then when starting out fresh. If you just want to strum chords I have a couple of sheets of barre chords. With barre chords if you start with one fingering you now have 12 different chords. If you are interested just let me know and I will email them to you.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 20:13:11
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I agree with these responses! I had a 74 year old woman start lessons and a year later she called me from Florida saying she taught her jam friends how to play a half dozen of her favorite tunes. She also made me listen to her fingerpick Don't Think Twice (Dylan), which she was super proud of herself for learning! My advice as a guitar instructor for the past 53 years? Go for it. Figure out how it's like a piano. Figure out the fingerboard and how the strings are a 4th apart (except for the 3rd to the 2nd being a major third). You'll be jamming in no time! Michael
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 21:49:17
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Of course you can.... Time and patience.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 22:18:30
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If you're focused and determined, the only obstacle might be your body. Tendinitis, arthritis, etc. You will have to be more patient than when you were younger (which will probably not be too hard), but more importantly, you cannot push your body through exhaustion and pain like you did back then. Learn when to back off. No twelve hour a day practice sessions. You'll need days of rest in between and ice must become your ally. Coming from keyboards your brain and fingers are already well trained. Go for it!
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 22:54:32
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You only need three chords for rock and roll anyway Seriously, I suspect you'll find that having played keyboards will help tremendously in playing guitar. But perhaps more importantly, playing guitar will make you a better keyboard player. I started playing keyboards about 7 years after I started playing guitar, and it made me a much better guitar player. I would think the reverse is true as well. Bottom line is you have nothing to lose by trying, and I think you'll have positive consequences for a variety of reasons...even if they weren't the ones you intended.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/09 23:28:29
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you didn't state your age... like said above, physical issues include arthritis, and older people like a friend of mine that plays guitar with me has issues with the thinning of skin as you approach your seventies. I started guitar around 50, but my main prob was not having a strong musical background other than drums. I picked up keyboards with the resulting education in music theory and that has helped my guitar playing, but struggle mentally remembering guitar chords if I get away from regular playing... i guess i spend more time improving on keyboard playing. I can play and record guitar rhythm and leads for songs but it involves several takes and edits, but nothing like an experienced player can do.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/10 00:11:34
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My uncle started playing guitar when he retired, and got quite good in a short amount of time. He took lessons and and put in the time. I started a few years ago, I'm now in my 40's and the only thing holding me back has been me and too many other instruments on the go at once. Having a piano knowledge should really help you just focus on the physical playing.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/10 00:27:09
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you have an advantage with having musical knowledge allready. if you believe you can and you really want it, without knowing/realising it probably, just by believing/wanting it you actually instruct and programm your brain to forfill that task and it will be easier. if somehow you find out later guitar playing isn't for you after all.. you could just hold the Strat to a Marshall amp and let it feedback and enjoy that on a saturday night.. personally I could just play with a Strat pickup selector all day and plan to do so when I retire.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/10 05:19:44
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The hardest instrument to learn is your first. After that, all the knowledge you've gained about music is applicable to other instruments you might decide to pick up. So in that sense you're already part way to being a guitarist.
Mexican-made Fender Strats are actually pretty good most of the time, and with a bit of modification can sometimes be made very good indeed. My only Strat is a MIM which I bought because it felt right and was acoustically the best sounding, most resonant and "alive" out of the nearly 30 I tried, including the US deluxe model of the time. A Mexican Strat is a perfectly good guitar to learn on, so long as it's set up properly. A good setup makes any guitar far more playable and they generally benefit from a setup once in a while even if they still retain the factory "standard" one.
The main thing in learning guitar, as with any other instrument or skill, is motivation. If you want to learn it you will. Even if you find you still need to "fake" guitar using a keyboard, playing guitar even a little will give you an insight into the chord inversions guitarists use and why we use them. They're often different to the ones keyboard players use, and in my opinion where many keyboard players fail at guitar-like sounds, riffs and phrasing is they play like a piano player, not a guitarist.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/10 05:47:45
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i don't think an "old dog" would have the dexterity in it's fingers paws, but an old person, . . . well, sure, as has been said by others if you have the motivation, the drive and the desire, then go for it, you already have prior musical knowledge to give you a jump star, don't waste any more time because as we get older time slips by all to fast, so just get in and do it. Be realistic, don't get depressed when you realize you don't match it with joe satriani etc, but don't limit yourself either, just be the best you can with the time you have available to devote to it, and most of all enjoy yourself
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/10 08:59:43
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Like the above responses, I also believe the more I explore other instruments, the more I seem to learn/absorb/ understand them all. So, being retired, I look forward to spending time on my keys, mandolins(ac +elec), lap steels( E with benders+C6th), banjo, violin, resonator, drum pads(no room for a kit yet), and an assortment of acoustic and electrics, everyday. When I learn a tune on one, I get inspired to try it on another and that really expands things for me! and it's fun!
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/10 11:09:23
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The many comments above pretty much cover all bases brilliantly. A couple of things I'd like to add are... Keep up the morale - if it gets too 'trying' then you're probably doing something that's a little too hard for you. Step by step gains that build the motivation that you currently enjoy. Regular practice - a bit here and there may not get you where you want to be in the timescale you want to be there. From your keyboard skills you will know this, and that repetition is the way forward, at least initially. Expect to become 'deformed' - the fingers will twist unusually, the segs will form on the tips, the wrist will ache, the cramps may set in... do not give up! Keep the goal in mind, not the pain and suffering endured en-route :-) Stick with chords around the first three frets at first. Dabble with songs you know with these. Start to try bar chords after this (will need perseverance - few get them straight away). Let yourself/your hand get used to what's expected. Once you can play them (bar chords) it will open up a further world of possibilities. I wish you all the very best with your endeavour which should fall into place nicely given your skills on the keyboard.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/10 14:34:19
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Hi. I do not have anything to offer that has not already been covered. But I started playing drums at the age of 44, and have played a few gigs the last year or so. As a guitar player, I feel like it helps me even with drums. I already had a "feel" for music, so I agree witht the people saying that your keys skills will only help you in your endeavour. Most important of all (in my book), try to enjoy it  Even when your wrist and fingers hurt  All the best.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/10 16:17:37
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Thanks so much to everyone for all the thoughtful and helpful replies. I have toyed w this occasionally over the years but between work and life (and wanting enough time on my piano and keys) I have never moved beyond the few chords I have known since I was a teen. 58 now and still working way too much but w kids launched or nearly launched, and northeast winter approaching, there is more free time for music now so I am going to jump into this!
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/11 07:24:05
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Not meaning to hijack this thread, but does the same apply for learning piano? I can play some guitar, my theory is weak though (Give me a break, I am a drummer!). I would like to learn piano/keyboard. Thanks, Pat
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/11 08:03:22
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patm300e Not meaning to hijack this thread, but does the same apply for learning piano? I can play some guitar, my theory is weak though (Give me a break, I am a drummer!). I would like to learn piano/keyboard.
Personally, I think learning piano/keyboard is far easier than guitar (unless you're looking to become a professional classical pianist  ). Find a good teacher or look into the hundreds of different tutorials out there. But yes, you can definitely learn to play at any age (unless you have serious medical problems with your hands). Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://www.garrigus.com* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/u...gus?sub_confirmation=1* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/11 12:22:14
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patm300e Not meaning to hijack this thread, but does the same apply for learning piano? I can play some guitar, my theory is weak though (Give me a break, I am a drummer!). I would like to learn piano/keyboard. Thanks, Pat
Hi. I play a little piano, and I feel it helps me having a guitar hanging / standing by the piano. It gives me the opportunity to visualize chords etc, as I know my guitar much better than piano. I can then transfer that to the piano. All the best.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/11 12:48:03
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I taught guitar for 20 years and my best students where older and had some other musical background behind them. Piano was the most common ground. One guy was 70 and he practiced everyday for a few hours, He started having to come 2x a week just to get new lessons. I'll recommend a few things. First- Get an electric guitar first. You get more bang for the buck. A good acoustic might cost more and the majority of cheap acoustics have terrible set up which takes skill to fix. But where cheap electrics are easier to set up and a breeze to play. Get a Fender style like a Tele which will chord nicer than Gibson's. In your early stages run all four fingers up and down on each string= Open 1-2-3-4-3-2-1-open. assign your 1st finger to the 1st fret etc. This simple exercise will do more than anything else to get the neuro pathways flowing. Then learn the basic open chords and the omnipotent Power chords. Then learn the movable major scale with the root on the 6th string in G and then the 5th string in C. Then have some fun with the Minor pentatonic ( blues/rock) scales. The biggest challenge for keyboard players is that the guitars chords and scales patterns do not stay the same. A C chord on the piano stays the same through all octaves. If you learn the major scale and the patterns, naming the root-1-2 etc you will figure out how the chords work faster.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/11 15:39:56
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Just go to Carnegie Hall and you'll be great. (but first, "Practice, Practice, Practice"  )
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/11 20:08:04
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I've have both acustic and electric guitars and bases, I find I practice more with the acoustics, as I don't ahve to plug it in. If I leave the acoustic out and at hand I keep picking it up to play.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/12 13:08:45
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Everyone can play the guitar just like everyone can sing... My advice is take lessons from someone who can teach you what you want to know. Save time and frustration and really enjoy what you're doing. I took Irish fiddle lessons after playing guitar for 40 years. The instructor I wanted was booked solid so I had to try to use videos and youtube. When he finally became available he fixed everything I was doing wrong in the first lesson and then it was a couple tunes and then on my way.
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Re: Can an old dog learn to play guitar?
2016/10/12 16:27:32
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garrigus and there's also the Rocksmith videogame, which I've heard is supposed to be pretty good, though I haven't tried it.
My son works for them as note tracker (i.e. he tells the programmers what notes make up a riff of what chord is being played where). He says other than lacking in teaching music theory (which the OP would probably not need) it's a damn fine guitar/bass teaching tool. He also stresses it's not a "game" although to the uninitiated it may look like that.
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