Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ?

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Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ?

Any one know anything about Celestion speekers and Custom Celestion speekers ?

I have a very old line 6 4 x 12 that I bought with a Spider II head I cant find out for the life of me what speekers are actualy in it but on the line 6 web site there spider cabs are custom Celestion

Any one know if thats what they used then or if there any good ?

I am off to try a load of cabs tomorow and trying to decide if its worth luging my 4x12 to the shops to compare it against others

Thanks for any info any one can offer

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/24 18:23:25 (permalink)

    Celestion is owned by these guys:

    http://www.gp-industries.com/d1f-speaker.htm

    They make good speakers and speakers.

    Open the cabinet and find out what you have.

    best regards,
    mike
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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/24 18:40:16 (permalink)
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    Celestion is owned by these guys:

    http://www.gp-industries.com/d1f-speaker.htm

    They make good speakers and speakers.

    Open the cabinet and find out what you have.

    best regards,
    mike


    Thanks for the info mike

    I am not sure if they are good or bad speekers from my other thread you seen where I talked about what cab would do for a tweeker head I still havent decided I am off demo a few cabs tomorow so will be takeing the 4x12 with me to compare agains

    I am also going to treat my self to a Blackstar TH-5 tomorow but I am tempted with the 2 x 10inch celestion cabs that you can get to go with it they are £99 each so not to bad

    I guess by this time tomorow I will see what they sound like

    What I am trying to figure out is if they are the same speekers as my 4X12 apart from there 10 inch instead of 12 would I really have any benifit from them...... I know little about spekers but I will know when I hear sound I like

    So hope tomorow I make the right choice

    Thanks again

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/24 18:58:47 (permalink)

    "I will know when I hear sound I like"

    That's all you need to know... the problem is, say for example, when a guy like me goes down to the local Guitar Center... there isn't a single cabinet that I like the sound of... because I've been lucky enough to hear most of the best ever stuff.

    Maybe in a real big city I might find some cabinets loaded with speakers I like... but not at the Guitar Center in my town.

    So, I worry that a guy like you might spend hard earned money without ever getting the opportunity to hear the good stuff before you make a decision.

    If you get to hear the good stuff... you'll know immediately... you'll stop dead in your tracks and you'll just know.

    Ask to try the good stuff and see what they offer you.


    best regards,
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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/24 19:20:47 (permalink)
    Haha You are right on that one

    I live out in the sticks about an hour and a half drive from my nearst city / music shop.

    At the momment I am not worying about really top end gear I am just looking for something that I will like and I can start to learn to mic up.

    Come summer time I will be in a possition again that I can prob spend around 2.5k on a head and cab then I can realy start looking in to the big guys stuff again

    At the momment Its a case of the best I can get on a budget thats why I am in 2 minds if I should stick anf learn with the line 6 or not but I will try it with the 2 heads I am going for and see what I think and then I wil try all the cabs in my price range untill I get that feeling of thats what I want !!!! you know what I meen haha

    I know if I go in and play gear above my price range I will come out of the shop with it but also with a very low bank ballance and I cant do that right now or I would haha

    The wee Blackstar HT-5 is a nice little 5 watt head with 2 valves in it and has a DI aswell so should be nice for recording and from what Ive heard Its got a cracking sound to my ears anyway I am just wondering if it can be made even better if not played through a Black Star amp.   Tomorow I will know

    I am tempted with this limited edition one I just found http://www.guitar.co.uk/a...ition_valve_mini_stack

    Bu again I will need to see how the cabs sound I love the head but havnt heard the cabs yet.

    Any info you could tell me on 10 inch cabs or recording ? Do I really need 2 of them ? I know it would meen I could put lots of mics to it but I am at the learning stage and will just be useing  SM57 and a SE Ribbon R1

    I could go for that with just the one cab

    Theres just so many options and this being stuck out in the middle of nowhere and not just being able to go to a shop anyday I want to try and hear things is a nightmare so tomorow will be fun

    I am actualy really hopeing the loink I just showed you that the speekers have the sound I am lookin for and would be even better if I could use just one It would save me 100 off the price

    Norrie



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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/24 19:33:25 (permalink)

    I stumbled into knowing what I liked before I knew what it was. I'd mix a gig and if I liked what I heard I'd ask about it.

    I started getting into small little tubes amps and super sensitive alnico speakers right about the time that they were both as unfashionable and unavailable as they could be.

    I just liked what I heard.

    So, I didn't know if I was looking at top end or low end or what... I just knew.

    I've spent a couple decades learning what I knew ;-)

    And that's how it happened for me.

    It turns out super sensitive speakers that don't tear in half are the expensive ones... and super simple amps that sound great are made out of a collection of expensive parts... and that's why the stores rarely have that sort of stuff in stock.

    Some guys like a less sensitive speaker that they can blow a big amp into  while not killing their ears... and that makes sense to me. Those speakers can also be top of the line construction so that they last a lifetime rather than a season of gigs... they just sound different and lots of players like that tone.

    Closed cabinets help the speakers from over excursion damage and usually have a deeper bass tone than an open back... but it can be hard to find just the right amount of lively quality in a closed back design. That's why guys with Marshall stacks argue about speakers all day long. :-)

    It seems like you have a handle on what you can be thinking about... have some fun at the store and take your time.

    all the best,
    mike




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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/24 19:47:44 (permalink)
    Thanks mike !

    Its always ice to talk to you about gear

    I am a drummer well guitarest as well but drumms are my main my guitarest has played through everything I can think of and is back to playing through a Stileto head with a Mesa 2x12 closed back and I love it so that will be my aim in the future

    It was also nice with the dual rec 4x12 but there was just something about the 2x12 we all agreed it was just right but couldnt quite say exactly what was right about it if that makes sence? So yeah Stilleto + 2x12 messa closed back is my ideal sound I just need to get as close to that as I can at the momment with what funds I have and I will be happy. Then like I said I can move on again from there when the funds and time is right.

    who knows I might be really suprised tomorow and find somehting I like even more :)

    I shall keep you osted on what i come home with

    Can I ask though since I know little about recording cabs. What sort of a difference would I find from micing the cabs I liked you 2 capared to a 12inch speeker ? Obviously I cant try recording them in the shop so that part is going to be guessing for me

    I had been told the 10inch would give a good thump rock sound from that head at a low volume where as if I used a 4x12 I would need to crank it more and I cant realy do that where I am liveing at the momment.

    Thanks again !

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/25 16:08:30 (permalink)
    Hey Mike thought you might like to know I bought the BlackStar HT-5s limited edition today

    I decided on the head first off then spent  hours trying to decide what cabs to go for

    I liked the two 1x10 cabs that they did but thought I would try it with a 1x12 and that was nice but not as nice as the two 2 x 10 cabs so I tryed two 1x12 and had a lot of low end

    I then decided hey why not mix it up a bit and I tryed a 1x10inch and a 1x12inch conected at the same time and I prefered it it just seemed to hit a sweet spot not to bright and nopt to deep sounding it was jus tright for me

    So I then said to the guy I would like to buy the Limited edition head and one limited 1x10 cab and one normal 1x12 cab but they wouldnt let the limitied edition rig go with out seling the second 1x10

    In the end up I bought the full rig and I am going back for a 1x12 next week so I will have a bunch of different sounds to play with so I am happy and its a good starting point for me I feel :)

    So this is what got http://www.guitar.co.uk/a...ition_valve_mini_stack

    I got them to give me it for £399 so made a bit of a saveing on it

    Thanks again for your help and info on everything

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/25 18:18:13 (permalink)
    Cool Norrie,

     I know a video editor with the Blackstar head and the 2 10's.... he keeps it at his studio... the next time I see him I'm going to finally accept his invite to play it.

     It seems like you have lots of option now.

     I hope you have lots a of fun.


     best regards,
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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/25 18:36:28 (permalink)
    Hi Mike yeah please have a blast on his and tell me your thoughts!

    If you find any cool tones wrinte them down and send them my way ;) haha

    Like I said though I personaly preffered the sound of one 1x10 and one 1x12 played together it just had a great sound to my ears anyway

    So by next week I will have two 1x10 and 1 1x12 haha but I will get the sound I head and theres also the Di amp emulation option from the head thats really cool

    I have something else I needed to ask you but I will fire you a pm :)

    Thanks again

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/26 03:55:41 (permalink)
    The HT-5 is a lovely little amp for distorted tones. Anything from light crunch to heavy rock. Dunno about metal tones from it because I never go there. The DI works pretty well and when used it defeats the speaker output so you dont need a cab.
    The cleans are not to my taste and it doesnt seem to like having an overdrive pedal put infront of it but its a loud 5watts, responds very well to the guitar volume and is definately a keeper.
    i bought some vintage 30's off these guys, cheapest I could find at the time [link=http://www.lean-business.co.uk/eshop/%3C/a%3E%3C/font%3E]http://www.lean-business....op/%3C/a%3E%3C/font%3E[/link]

    If I get time later ill put some clips up of my HT-5
     
     
    haha, I see you have already bought one.......good choice

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/26 11:21:01 (permalink)
    Norrie.... did you ever pull the cabinet back to see what was in there?

    Most of the Celestions I have seen say so right on the magnet.  Many manufactures will use some "off brand" speakers that just have numbers on them. You can generally cross the number over and find the mfg.

    I had a nice sounding Lab Series pair of 4x12's that were like that. They had 4  No Name speakers, but they sounded pretty good. I paid $400 for the pair of cabinets.

    I became partial to EV's some time back...actually many years ago. Our band had a pair of  folded W bass bins that only had room for 2 12 inch speakers. We installed some 12" EV's with 17 pound magnets. (If I recall, the EV's were about $150 each...quite expensive for the time) They barely made the squeeze into the opening on the back. We pumped lots of wattage into those things and they never blew. They would almost knock you off your feet walking in front of them.

    I also had a Carvin amp, which at the time was touted to be the Mesa Boogie 100W equivalent. You could get it with the standard Carvin 12" speaker or, for an additional premium, you could get the EV 100W 12" speaker, which I did opt for. The EV was more efficient then the stock Carvin 12" which meant, more volume (like I really needed that) at the same wattage input.

    Speakers matter, but what matters most IMHO is what they sound like. Do you like the sound? If so, who cares if they are EV's or radio shack specials..... oh, and BTW, we were running some RS specials (12" el cheapo's) in our home made stage monitor wedges.

    I sold the Labs to a buddy. He pulled the speakers, and resold the empty cabs. He used those 8 12's in his monitors. Go figure!
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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/26 16:07:07 (permalink)
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    The HT-5 is a lovely little amp for distorted tones. Anything from light crunch to heavy rock. Dunno about metal tones from it because I never go there. The DI works pretty well and when used it defeats the speaker output so you dont need a cab.
    The cleans are not to my taste and it doesnt seem to like having an overdrive pedal put infront of it but its a loud 5watts, responds very well to the guitar volume and is definately a keeper.
    i bought some vintage 30's off these guys, cheapest I could find at the time [link=http://www.lean-business.co.uk/eshop/%3C/a%3E%3C/font%3E]http://www.lean-business....op/%3C/a%3E%3C/font%3E[/link]

    If I get time later ill put some clips up of my HT-5
     
     
    haha, I see you have already bought one.......good choice


    Hi Monkfish !

    HaHa Yeah I bought one yesterday with the 2 x 10inch cabs ( I got the vintage looking one that they only made 250 of)  I am over the moon with it !

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/26 16:13:16 (permalink)
    Hey guitar hacker !

    I havent had a chance to open it up and see yet but I will be doing it tomorrow from what Ive looked in to its eather celestion or custom celestion speekers that are in it.

    The back of the cab is stereo 2 inputs that say 8ohms next to each of them and it says max load 150w each side

    If I connect my HT-5 to it it will only power one side of the amp but thats still cool it will give me 2 x 12 inch speekers to play with or one other Idea I had is to take 2 out and put a different 2 in the other side then I have a choice of what I can use if you get me ?

    One other thing I have thoguht about is actualy takeing the amp to my frineds shop he builds beautifull amps http://www.flynnamps.co.uk/

    I was thinking if its 8ohms a side and I have a 1 x 16 ohm out on my head maybe I could get him to wire it so I can drive all 4 speekers ? maybe put a switch in it something ? I am just hopeing here but mabe he or some one here will have an IDea of something I could do :)

    I will take the back off of it tomorow though for a start and have a look at waht speekers they actualy are ! Its not a big deal because I do like them I am just interested to know :)

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/26 16:48:12 (permalink)
    oh yeah.... I know the feeling.

    So the cab as 2 jacks that are not connected internally in parallel? That's different.

    I've seen amps that had totally separate channels and plugging a short jumper cord between the 2 channels was needed to bridge them....(that was a really old amp) I was 15 at the time I saw this amp.



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    oh yeah.... I know the feeling.

    So the cab as 2 jacks that are not connected internally in parallel? That's different.

    I've seen amps that had totally separate channels and plugging a short jumper cord between the 2 channels was needed to bridge them....(that was a really old amp) I was 15 at the time I saw this amp.


    Yeah thats exactly right ! its like two 2x12 cabs makeing up a 4x12 bit of a strange one !

    I woul have been about 16 / 17 when I got that amp so its about 12 years old

    Ive just sent a msg to my friend to ask if he can rewire it in anyway

    I am going to take the back off of it tomorow and see whats what and I wil take some pics and let you now what I find.

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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/26 20:35:37 (permalink)
    Hi, Norrie,
     
    I have several Line 6 Spider 2 amps, and yes, they are Custom Celestion "modeling" speakers specifically designed for transparency while the modeling head is being used.  By default they are wired for stereo use.
     
    Hope this helps, have a good one!
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    Re:Can any one tell me what speekers are in a LIne 6 spider II 4x12 cab ? 2011/02/27 13:31:12 (permalink)
    Ok so I took the back off today and they have line 6 lables on the back of the speekers and says they are Celestion  ( not custom celestion ) Just celestion on a white label on the side of every speeker

    At least I know now :)

    So now to find a way to wire the cab to use with this head so I can use all 4 speekers rather than just two :D

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