Can someone recommend a DAW that has a PRV that actually works?

Copying and pasting multiple midi from multiple tracks in PRV is a hit-or-miss proposition. I'm about ready to throw my computer out the window.

Cakewalk, please own up to the bugs in PRV, and fix them.

Thanks.

Same here.  The Piano Roll has always worked well for me.  If you described what you are doing and what results you are getting maybe we can offer some advice to make it work for you too.  

X1 works great here on that as well...

It would be nice to know what issues, specifically, you are having.

I'm using X1-D, 64-bit, with ASUS i7 laptop, 12 GB RAM.

My main issues in PRV:

1) When I lasso notes in multiple tracks, let's say, for two measures worth, the highlight bar at the top extends way past the two measures. Then when I paste (or paste special) to another location, nothing gets pasted in.
2) Sometimes when I select & nudge (e.g. a measure at a time), additional midi gets inserted into the new location (after the nudge). I don't know where these notes came from, but clearly I didn't select them before doing the nudge. 
3) The track numbers in PRV don't match the track numbers in the track view -- and the ones that display in PRV are inaccurate.  In PRV, when I copy & paste special from one track to I another I have guess the destination track # -- sometimes it's one off from what is displayed in the track list (on the right in PRV).
4) Sometimes when I lasso notes, and copy and paste to a new location, all midi gets copied into a single track, even though I didn't specify that in the paste options.

Those are some of the bugs that have been killing my inspiration. They don't occur consistently -- maybe 50% of the time, some bugs more than others.

I'm using simple instrument tracks. PRV seems to get confused by this -- i.e. track numbers in PRV in the track list are inaccurate. I usually have between 30 and 60 tracks in the PRV. I also use screen sets -- one for the track view and one for the PRV.

Yeah, those are related to problems with simple instrument tracks. There's another thread about that somewhere. Until they fix it, you can probably get around it by temporarily splitting the simple track, then re-combining it when you've finished editing in PRV.

FastBikerBoy

mleghorn



1) When I lasso notes in multiple tracks, let's say, for two measures worth, the highlight bar at the top extends way past the two measures. Then when I paste (or paste special) to another location, nothing gets pasted in.

The extension past the end of the lasso point will probably be where the last selected note ends. That's what happens here. For the pasting issue press Ctrl+Alt+V when pasting and check your paste options. You may have deselected something there at some point.

In my case the extension past the lasso point makes no sense. It even happens when there's no midi data in the extra area that's added.

X1 plays all the notes for all the midi that you're dragging (which is very hard on ears and CPU)

Go to Preferences-->Customisation-->Editing-->MIDI and uncheck "Polyphonic Velocity Audition" to stop the cacophony

FastBikerBoy

X1 plays all the notes for all the midi that you're dragging (which is very hard on ears and CPU)

Go to Preferences-->Customisation-->Editing-->MIDI and uncheck "Polyphonic Velocity Audition" to stop the cacophony

Thanks!!! (I'll give that a try.)

In the paste special box, there is a "track start" selector to the top left of the box that should always be there, unless there's something funky going on with yours of course.

mleghorn
I have been relying on ctrl-drag -- however this doesn't work very well: X1 plays all the notes for all the midi that you're dragging (which is very hard on ears and CPU), and the sliding of the selected area stutters a lot while the CPU tries to catch up (the fastest laptop i7 CPU in my case). Sometimes when I do ctrl-drag, X1 becomes unresponsive for a minute or more.


I'm considering splitting the simple instrument tracks, but this will increase the complexity of my projects dramatically. E.g. PRV will be for all the MIDI tracks, while envelopes (for sends, volume, pan, and synth automation) will be for the corresponding audio tracks. It's worth a try though. Maybe I can figure out a way to simplify it.

1) I tried using Simple Instrument tracks when they first came out, but quickly went back to separate midi and audio tracks.  It takes more space for sure, but easier to work with - for me.
 
2) Copy / Paste midi - vrs - Ctl-drag:  I wish Paste had a "paste in place" function similar to InDesign where if you copy an image from one page and paste into another page, it retains the same exact position.  The problem with Sonar is that you have to specify the start time when pasting - which is a pain.  To get around that, I instead use Ctl-Shift-Drag.  The Shift forces X1 to keep the midi clips in place.

you do not use it but claim that it works...

this kind of attitude is bringing this software down. 

mleghorn


In PRV, ctrl-alt-V (paste special) breaks sometimes, i.e. it doesn't ask you what track to paste into, and it picks a random track and start time. Lovely! I'll try saving, getting out of X1, and restarting to see if that fixes the problem.

That fixed this specific problem: after exiting X1 and going back in, paste special works as expected. Apparently X1 stability deteriorates while you're working in it, i.e. eventually you have to exit and go back in to fix this issue. 
Still, the other PRV issues I've mentioned have not gone away.

You need to press ctrl+ALt+V or select Edit--->Paste Special......

If you don't get a dialogue box appear by doing that then there is nothing on the clipboard to paste or something wrong with your installation maybe.

It seems to be a popular game to read the first couple words of someone's post, and post a reply to it. I'm having a lot of fun repeating myself. I have two dogs, one named Louie and one named Newbie. I'm looking forward to some Belgium Triple tonight -- I'm writing this here because I know no one is going to read this far. The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain.

mleghorn

FastBikerBoy


You need to press ctrl+ALt+V or select Edit--->Paste Special......

If you don't get a dialogue box appear by doing that then there is nothing on the clipboard to paste or something wrong with your installation maybe.

That's what I'm doing, and there's something in the clipboard, because it gets pasted -- all into one randomly chosen track at a random start location.


My installation is fine.


It's a bug in X1 -- believe it or not -- either that, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is messing with me -- which of those two explanations seems most likely?

this can also happen if the MIDI EVENTS have a hard code for the CHANNEL.  what it does is not actually random, but it will paste X Channels down from the starting point.  for example, if you tell it to paste in track 4 and there is hard coded events for that MIDI CHANNEL set at channel 6, then it will paste the MIDI in track 10.  sonar will even create track 10 if it doesn't exist.