Can you downgrade subscription?

Recently I had some problems with Sonar. Now I found that some of the latency problems are because of LP MB EQ / Compressor.
 
I've subscribed for Sonar Pro, but after 6 month of testing and the LP modules not working for me I consider downgrading to the Artist version.
 
Is that possible? I mean without losing what I already paid.

I know about the non-linear mode, but it's not really helpful. It reduces the latency (and midi dropout) issues but doesn't remove them completely. Then I have LP EQ and Comp on like 12 tracks + maybe some buses, means I'd have to toggle like 10-25 instances manually between non-linear and high quality whenever I want to hear "what it would sound like". Sorry, but that's nowhere close to a good workflow.
 
I've already invested in Neutron now, little to no latency or dropout issues in comparison to LP. Not gonna go back.
 
That's not the only problem I have with the Pro Version, I can see almost no benefit over the Artist Version after 6 month or so:

• I don't do any vocal stuff, so melodyne essentials is completely useless to me
• The LP plugins are useless to me
• The Pro Channel Strip and the Style Dials is a nice idea and fun to play with but eventually I never used them again in a real project, almost no 3rd party plugin developers support them. Pure vendor lock.
• Patch Points & Aux Tracks I don't use
• Most instruments are dated and not very good, mostly because they are like light versions neither give you many options to get creative nor come with an extensive amount of presets
• Other plugins ain't much better than freeware or really really old

 
So I don't mean to bash, in the end the whole package only cost around $200 which isn't really that much. But on the other hand I'd rather liked one good plugin / instrument in the package over all this clutter - or at least not pay extra for it like in the Artist Version.
 
Anyway my real question was if it's possible to downgrade from the Pro to the Artist subscription?

occide

Bristol_Jonesey
In my opinion, you're using the wrong tool for the job.
 
The LP is a mastering grade Equalizer and should only be used when mastering a 2 track, not on individual tracks.
I'd use the QC EQ in the Pro Channel which has a MUCH lower overhead and is in it's own right, a very capable EQ

Someone smart thought that Pro users should only get the tini-tiny version of the Prochannel EQ without the possibility to pop-out the full size window. That thing is unusable.
 

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are on Platinum there are some great plugins coming this month so stay tuned. By downgrading you will miss those :)

I'm on Pro as I wrote in the beginning. I'm gonna miss those anyway.
 
At first I planed maybe upgrading to Platinum at some point, but the way customers are handled here and on support, when it comes to problems and bugs, does not give me confidence I bet on the right horse.

My point remains - you are using the WRONG tool by inserting the LP on multiple tracks.
 
Which EQ you use is up to you but in this situation the LP is a no-no

With respect, I don't think you know what you've got in your toolbox.
 
For a start you have the Sonitus suite (which put us all in good stead for a good number of years), you have the Classic Creative Suite, there's the Studio Mixing suite which includes all of the Blue Tubes plugins (there are 6 different EQ's in this suite), and even without the flyout, the QC in Professional is far from "unusable".

Bristol_Jonesey
With respect, I don't think you know what you've got in your toolbox.
For a start you have the Sonitus suite (which put us all in good stead for a good number of years), you have the Classic Creative Suite, there's the Studio Mixing suite which includes all of the Blue Tubes plugins (there are 6 different EQ's in this suite), and even without the flyout, the QC in Professional is far from "unusable".

The Sonitus stuff is extremely dated as I mentioned, the Prochannel EQ is just too tiny, not even the text fits there properly. Try it on 4k like I do.
 
The BT suite is in fact the only good tools in the Pro version, but these
1.) are analogue style in design and sound
2.) lack a graphical band EQ with waveform display
 
But I'm not going to continue arguing about this. Earlier I mentioned that Pro is not good for me in particular. Other people, vocalists, guitarists, might be pretty happy about the compilation. Other people complained about the same things before I did.
 
When I first came to this forum and asked what Version I should buy one smart guy (this time no sarcasm) recommended to me I should go with the cheapest "Home Studio" version and use the money I saved on external plugins and instruments like Omnisphere. I should have listened, cause now I'm buying those tools anyway. Cause I lack them.
 
I'm definitely not a hater towards Cakewalk. But they want to sell me stuff and I want to buy. They should consider my customer feedback as free input what some people need and what not.
 
I asked a clear question and didn't receive an answer yet BTW.
By the time I figured that I have payed already more than the Artist Version would have cost and I'm sure they not gonna return any money to me. So it was probably pointless to ask for myself. You guys should consider answering this question anyway, cause lots of Googlers might have it, too. 

Nobody has attacked you on any level!
 
mettelus was providing you with some sound advice which you have chosen to ignore.
 
To answer your original question - we don't know! Just contact Cakewalk directly if you want to downgrade.
 
This is a peer to peer forum which provides a valuable service to users with varying degrees of knowledge & experience.

occide
I've subscribed for Sonar Pro, but after 6 month of testing and the LP modules not working for me I consider downgrading to the Artist version.
 
Is that possible? I mean without losing what I already paid.

To be clear, you have not subscribed to anything. You have agreed to purchase SONAR Professional and spread the payments over 12 months. If you want to change the purchasing agreement, contact Cakewalk directly. There is an email button at the bottom of this page. I am not sure if they will perform the downgrade or if you will have to contact Cleverbridge too. If you do downgrade, you will loose the Professional features and what you paid toward Professional will essentially be considered rental payments.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are on Platinum there are some great plugins coming this month so stay tuned. By downgrading you will miss those :)

Hmmm sounds interesting!

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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are on Platinum there are some great plugins coming this month so stay tuned. By downgrading you will miss those :)

Hmmm sounds interesting!

Definitely piqued my interest!
 
To the OP: Sorry you felt you were being attacked. I didn't read it that way, but I know what it's like to air your griefs on a forum and feel like it's falling on deaf ears. It seemed to me like there was at least a partial agreement with a suggestion not to do anything hasty out of frustration. Anyway, I hope you're able to work something out to your liking.

I'm not sure if you realise this, but when you downgrade, your existing plugins from Professional will still be available for use in Artist. So it not really such a big step back. For that reason, CW might not give you a the sort of deal you might be expecting for the downgrade.

Bristol_Jonesey

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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are on Platinum there are some great plugins coming this month so stay tuned. By downgrading you will miss those :)

Hmmm sounds interesting!

That thought crossed my mind.

before or after you tried insulting helping the OP .
Your a good soul Jonesey
 
To the OP:
With that being said, I don't think Mettelus was trying to insult your intelligence.
Sometimes things just don't sound write in written words VS. voice/speech.
What im trying to say is.. I think everyone is trying to help. Jonesey definitely was by offering advise, an alternative.

I'm not here to start an argument; your comments are opinion-based, and I'm sure you believe what you're saying so there's nothing to argue. However, I do want other users to be aware that there are other opinions on the subjects you mention which are quite different. My comments are in red.

• I don't do any vocal stuff, so melodyne essentials is completely useless to me [Melodyne isn't only for vocals. I use Melodyne Essentials to tune bass parts, guitar solos, do audio-to-MIDI conversion, transpose chords to create chord progressions when songwriting, do automatic tempo tracking with music not played to a click, create harmonies for single-note solos, and do envelope-controlled flanging.]
• The LP plugins are useless to me [As has been pointed out, these are specialized plug-ins. But if someone needs 20 EQ nodes to tame resonances, you can't do much better than the L-Phase EQ. Also, the L-Phase Compressor makes an awesome crossover for multi-band processing. The ability to choose between linear-phase and non-linear operation is very useful, but being able to assign individual nodes to stereo or mid-side processing is even more so.] 
• The Pro Channel Strip and the Style Dials is a nice idea and fun to play with but eventually I never used them again in a real project, almost no 3rd party plugin developers support them. Pure vendor lock. [Don't overlook being able to load FX Chains with any 3rd party plug-in in the ProChannel. Also, the four different responses in the QuadCurve are extremely useful but that requires spending time to really learn them. As to the flyout, although I have Platinum, I never use it...I just vary the knobs to get the sound I want, after choosing the curve that's most appropriate for the material. I highly recommend people A/B blind-test the QuadCurve against far more costly EQs, and then make their own evaluations.] 
• Most instruments are dated and not very good, mostly because they are like light versions neither give you many options to get creative nor come with an extensive amount of presets [FWIW Z3TA is supposed to sound "dated," it's emulating analog synths that are over 50 years old. It also makes a great multieffects and has over 750 presets; PSYNE 2 has over 550 presets. Those seem like a considerable amount of presets.] 
• Other plugins ain't much better than freeware or really really old [I don't think age matters if the results are novel. Several of the Sonitus plug-ins have functionality that remains unequalled by newer plug-ins.]

 

AndertonMelodyne isn't only for vocals. I use Melodyne Essentials to tune bass parts, guitar solos, do audio-to-MIDI conversion, transpose chords to create chord progressions when songwriting, do automatic tempo tracking with music not played to a click, create harmonies for single-note solos, and do envelope-controlled flanging.

 
You made me look, and I'm glad you did. I figured if you're doing all that with Melodyne Essential that you had produced some content on it, and I found a few things from the past few years on the Cakewalk blog and some other publications. This looks like a good collection of tips with all but 3 applicable to Essential.
 
http://www.emusician.com/mixing/1397/how-to-10-methods-of-melodyne-madness/55307
 
You got any other links to drop on us?
 
 

Anderton
FWIW Z3TA is supposed to sound "dated," it's emulating analog synths that are over 50 years old. It also makes a great multieffects and has over 750 presets; PSYNE 2 has over 550 presets. Those seem like a considerable amount of presets.

I was looking through my "archives" just yesterday and noticed I have a ton of 3rd party presets for the original Z3TA+ that aren't installed. I know you're not a preset guy, but I'm torn. On the one hand, I like to be able to quickly cycle through presets when looking for a sound, but on the other, having too many feels overwhelming -- particularly when they're not well organized. First world problem, for sure.
 
While we're on the subject... What was the purpose of your presets thread? Research?

 
Inquiring minds want to know...

telecharge
You got any other [Melodyne] links to drop on us?

 
"The Big Book of SONAR Tips" has a bunch of applications. Some of them are in the article you cited, but presented in more detail.
 
Chapter 5: Melodyne
 

• Create Vocal Harmonies with Melodyne Essential
• Easy Automatic Double Tracking (ADT) with Melodyne Essential    
• Create Chord Progressions with Melodyne Essential          
• The Secret Melodyne Essential LFO Vibrato Tool  
• Tweaking Vibrato with Melodyne Essential            
• The Melodyne Essential Envelope-Following Flanger          
• Make Your Electric Bass Hugely Big