AnsweredCan you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse?

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2015/03/04 15:51:28 (permalink)

Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse?

Hi Guys!
I'm looking for a solution minimazing the use of the mouse (pains tendinits ...)
Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse?
Thanks a lot!

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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/04 20:41:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:26:38
No, you can't. I actually bought Sonar because it was advertised as touch compatible. And that's not even what it is.....
 
A lot of functions (right click) / buttons are unresponsive or not behaving properly. Not to mention the small buttons in the console view.
 
When using the pro channel EQ touch is almost smooth. There is touch functionality, but no ppure touch based workflow available.
 
Mixing is doable creating music is not possible in my opinion using touch or it is so faulty I ended up using it on a desk with a mouse.
 
I think Cakewalk should do some more research on it. It is important. Not a lot of people need / want it now. But if it worked as it should. Everybody would want a palm/pock3t/lap DAW that has intuitive easy workflow that is touch based.
 
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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/04 20:51:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:25:53
I bought Music Creator as a supplement to Sonar to use on my tablet.  Most of the functionality works with the touch screen but not everything.  Some use of the mouse is still required. I'm sorry about your tendonitis!

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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/04 21:41:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:25:33
Touchscreen is not prime-time UNLESS you can afford a very high resolution monitor.  Even then, as stated, a lot of the right click mouse functions are absent.  It's too bad because I was hoping things would move that way but I don't really see it happening.  (I have a 23" Acer touchscreen and almost never use touch on it)

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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/04 23:15:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:25:29
For mixing and plug ins it can be useful. I have a full HD screen on a 15.6" screen, making some of the knobs quite small. I have wondered about a stylus.
 
You may find that this make this aspect a habit, that this will do a little alleviate wrist issues, but then you probably want to sort out the ergonomics so not t cause another issue
 
 

 
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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/05 04:11:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:25:24
@ daniel, Does music creator have better/extended/more touch capability than Platinum? 
 
[Tendonits] Cant do it, sorry was 4 AM and i had my dictionary settings to Dutch... :|
 
I bought SOnar because it advertised touch capability. Stupid enough not to demo first or something (was there a demo available?). Was very dissapointed up to the point of writing a very angry dissapointed email. I calmed down and left it. I did mention it once in a support question but there was no word back on that part. 
 
To elaborate: I bought a surface pro 3 and Sonar to make music on the road or where ever. No such thing for now... :(
Now I am confined to a desk.... I still happily use Sonar and am learning every time I use it.  
 
To be honest, When I mix (actually once or twice for now, cause I had been busy making my system working as it should, primarily my melodyne region FX that didn't show up fixed now btw) I do like to use touch and it works with faders and EQ. Panning is difficult. I think The bakers don't have any touchscreens available. A metro interface-ish (yes I said it) UI mode (touch mode) would help (not a metro app). Simple things like the way a pan button reacts when thrying to pan is effidence to me that it wasn't tested out or there is no general idea how to make this behave. In that case ask us. I think we do :).
 
When u have a high resolution tablet or laptop screen Touch is an extra hassle as you probibly have your screen to 125 - 150% (because of the small letters on your small screen) the buttons don't work. Thhey will jump to a postition but no gradual fading.
 
So in my case I have to use these small faders with small buttons. I dont have big fingers actually on the small side. With practice it works kinda. I am happy that the bakers have put some tought in it. 
 
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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/05 06:10:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:25:16
To me it seems there's still a consensus that there is not one fully touch-usable DAW yet. A pro level DAW includes so many functions, that on a small screen they must be spread on many pages, or  you'd need a 30 inch screen minimum. All happy touch users I've met here on the forum also  use both mouse and keyboard.
Difficult ergonomics is another thing that seems to often push people away from touch-screens.

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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/05 06:37:12 (permalink)
Hi Guys! Thanks a lot for all these replies!! :) I was going to buy a 27 inch Acer Touch...you make me save my money!! Thanks a lot!!
Looking for a solution in another direction. :)
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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/05 11:04:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:25:09
I don't think touch will ever fully replace a mouse or keyboard - but you'll need all three.  That is how I work now, sliding between the three.  For a lot of typing, a traditional keyboard works best.  For a lot of small movement stuff, a mouse.  for the rest, touch.
 
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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/05 11:43:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:25:04
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Hi Guys! Thanks a lot for all these replies!! :) I was going to buy a 27 inch Acer Touch...you make me save my money!! Thanks a lot!!
Looking for a solution in another direction. :)


That's what I have - and I agree in general at the present time, you should probably wait for prices to come down further to give Cakewalk time to improve their touch implementation. The one thing that did improve for me when I bought the touch monitor (I retired my old 22's and bought a 27" non-touch monitor at the same time) - is I went from dual side by side 22" monitors to dual 27" (one touch, one not) in a vertical arrangement. I have the touch monitor angled (Maybe 40 degrees from horizontal) in front of my keyboard/mouse, and my non-touch immediately behind. Even when not using touch on the lower monitor (multi-dock with console and docked synths and effects) it is a nicer layout for me enabling larger screen size. Just as easy to mouse back and forth vertically as horizontally.

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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/05 12:17:32 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby aixmusajo 2015/03/05 14:26:01
I suffer from some pretty severe soft tissue problems including burning/pain from traditional HID use (Human Interface Device such as mice). Mice are extremely problematic and turn my hand into a clam after long periods of use as well as severe burning in my forearms and even up to my shoulders.
 
This is why I do not use mice if at all possible. On my DAW I use a Kensington Expert Mouse (the name is misleading... it is a large trackball)...
 
http://www.amazon.ca/Kens...rt-Mouse/dp/B00009KH63
 
It is a much more natural and physically ergonomic interaction with the computer. You are just moving your index and and middle fingers to move the cursor and it is ultra precise (great for editing and fine parameter adjustment). This is much better than using your whole arm to move a mouse around on your desk while gripping the device (which also saves on deskpace because the trackball stay in one spot... no mouse pad needed). The other benefit is you use the edge of your thumb for left clicking (which is the most repeated click action obviously) on the HUGE button which is where it lays naturally when you have your hand on the device and your pinkie engages the right click. Then you have two compltely separate buttons at the top for other stuff where you just reach out with your index and ring fingers to engage. There is a scroll "ring" that surrounds the trackball that is really pleasurable and natural to use (unfortunately mine is corroded after years of abuse and I got mine used but I used to use my ring finger to scroll).
 
Essentially it is like just resting your hand on your desk and fiddling around with your fingers a little to execute elaborate actions that are a total PITA with a mouse. It still causes some pain after a while but no where near as much as  mouse. The are unfortunately rather expensive but definitely worth it for many reasons. I really want to get a new one so I have a proper scrollwheel again.
 
The other device that causes less pain for me but is far less convenient or accurate are simple trackpads on laptops. Just dragging my finger around the pad seems to be better for my arms BUT the buttons are generally inconveniently located and awkward.
 
However I'd imagine there are much more ergonomic external trackpads one could use with better button positioning and more features. There are things like Wacom tablets that might work as hyper advanced trackpads but I've never used one so I don't know.
 
To me touchscreen would cause MORE pain and it would be far less localized than just in my arms. Having to reach out all the time to do stuff would wreck my shoulders and due to the full body adjustments to do so would likely bork out my back.
 
There are tablet apps that can be used to provide more control that regular Sonar touch stuff can offer (and have been around before Sonar even introduced touch capabilities) but from what I've read many of that stuff is kind of hit or miss.
 
Now if you want a TRUE touch solution, and I think it might be something I could use, you could drop tens of thousands of dolloars on one of those fance Slate units (Viper?) that are essentially an integrated console/control surface. They are almost like a table top arcade game unit that maps to EVERYTHING and provides quick mapping to pretty much anything you want/need. Not sure if they have programmed in a Sonar preset and really they are for pro studios but they sure are purty and fun to drool over.
 
Anyhoo... good luck with the pain. It sucks. The trackball/trackpad solutions may be your best/affordable options. Also try to ice and heat your tender bits after long sessions (ice for 10 minutes, heat for 10 minutes, repeat once) and see if you can get in to a sports injury clinic/physiotherapist to learn some stretching techniques to minimize the tension. I have a series of exercises I do to avoid/deal with flare ups in my arms. They are unfortunately difficult to put into text.
 
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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/05 14:22:49 (permalink)
Hi At, Brando and Beepster!
Thanks a lot for the replies!!! :)
Thanks Beepster for taking time to write all these very usefull details with your pains!! :) Really appreciate!
You're right in all you say.
I was thinking about a wacom tablet...but wich one and wich size?
Do you have an idea?
Thanks a lot guys!! :)
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Re: Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? 2015/03/05 14:37:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aixmusajo 2015/03/11 14:13:43
I'd say get yourself down to some of the local computer shops or even maybe the big box stores to see what works best for general usage. Obviously Waacom may be a little specific for such shops (I haven't been in a box store for ages though so IDK). For me I would try to get the smallest one to save on deskspace and physical movement if it were only to be used for general usage but I sure would like one to actually draw stuff with as well... in which case a larger one would be cool.
 
I have not however used one as of yet so really the best thing I can say is try some out if at all possible and try to visualize/anticipate your needs on your home DAW. I'm guessing there are plenty of less expensive alternatives on the market as well if you are more looking for a simple HID as opposed to accessing the full artistic level stuff the higher end pads offer.
 
I would also be concerned about driver issues so be sure to research online whether people are experiencing problems with whatever you choose based on drivers and of course always be sure to check any manufacturers website for driver updates instead of installing from included discs.
 
And thank you for the concern. Typing does cause me a bit of pain (and used to cause a lot of pain) but I try to do my stretches and be careful so my lengthy diatribes aren't quite as painful as they used to be.
 
I find changing tasks with my hands helpful as well. Like type for a while, play guit for a while, do light housework stuff for a while, essentially just not stay on one thing for too long.
 
Repitition is will what'll get you in the end. We aren't really designed for that.
 
Cheers and I hope you can get your pain under control.
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