Gerry
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Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum RESOLVED
Do we have a plug-in or a way that we can narrow or widen the stereo field? Sorry if this has been asked before but the forum search is at best duff. Thanks in advance.
post edited by Gerry - 2015/01/30 04:37:37
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 13:43:39
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Stereo Tool should do it
Yup it should but is it in Sonar Platinum and if so where LOL as I cannot find it?
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 13:50:46
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Gerry
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Stereo Tool should do it
Yup it should but is it in Sonar Platinum and if so where LOL as I cannot find it?
yes, it should be listed as channel tools as wookiee mentioned. Scan your VST list, you should see it in there.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 13:51:00
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Do you mean set to mono use console view? it's left of phase "two interlocking rings" with an arrow. change it to "0".
or VST2, Nomad Factory, Stereo imager.
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 13:54:53
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it should be built into every track, regardless of existing plugins and custom project templates.
Gerry - its Stereo Imager in the Blue Tubes bundle.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 14:04:47
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Many thanks one and all I have been going blind in here  I will now look in the blue tubes bundle. Although I cannot think why something so basic should be so difficult to find LOL. I will make a feature request me thinks. Wouldn't it be nice to have something like this  or this 
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 14:14:07
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Ha according to the Cakewalk version comparisons it should be in the Studio Mastering Suite and its called Stereo Imager ST2S. Phew I'll be back and mark this as resolved if I can find it LOL
Thanks again for all the input muchly appreciated.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
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Gerry
Ha according to the Cakewalk version comparisons it should be in the Studio Mastering Suite and its called Stereo Imager ST2S. Phew I'll be back and mark this as resolved if I can find it LOL
Thanks again for all the input muchly appreciated.
You should have gotten the Channel tools as well. shows up under VST2 for me...
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 14:17:20
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Channel Tools is in the spacial folder in the "Platinum Effects" layout. I perfer to use the "Default All Plug-ins" layout instead of the "Platinum Effects" Layout. Use the down arrow in the Plugins tab to set the layout.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 14:24:05
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Channel Tools is in the spacial folder in the "Platinum Effects" layout. I perfer to use the "Default All Plug-ins" layout instead of the "Platinum Effects" Layout. Use the down arrow in the Plugins tab to set the layout.
Thanks Scook but no luck see below I am wondering if I should do re-install as I cannot find the Studio Mastering Suite either and I do have it set to Platinum Plugins only. 
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 14:31:43
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Channel Tools in the Engineering FX Suite, maybe it did not get installed.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 14:33:35
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Perhaps slightly off topic/not what you are looking for but in one of the Groove3 vids about mixing with Sonar the guy uses Channels Tools to create an effect he calls "Mono Maker". Kind of cool. If you have an account with them it might give some ideas to folks about this kind of thing. That is an extreme technique (pure mono) but it can be tailored to varying degrees.
I also just transferred all my notes from when I was working through all those G3 tutorials and I think I made elaborate step by step notes on that one if they help.
As far as I know Cake did not remove Channel Tools. Don't see any reason why they would.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 14:42:30
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As you can see by the last image I posted there are no Channel Tools in my Platinum Audio FX Spacial folder. I'll keep digging oh and just out of interest Sonar Platinum does not show as being installed on my PC either in the control panel or CC Cleaner so I can't see how to uninstall it even if I wanted to Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 14:46:03
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☄ Helpfulby Gerry 2015/01/30 09:53:07
If you want to uninstall Platinum, right-click on the item in the Control Center. From what I can see, it appears at least the Engineering FX Suite was not installed. Do all the lights in the Control Center indicate everything was installed?
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 15:37:57
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scook
If you want to uninstall Platinum, right-click on the item in the Control Center. From what I can see, it appears at least the Engineering FX Suite was not installed. Do all the lights in the Control Center indicate everything was installed?
Many thanks Scook you are a star. Yes everything is showing as being installed except for Melodyne Essentials. I also have a confession to make I did not stop my anti-virus during the install so that could be the reason why some things did not install. I will do an unistall then reinstall without the anti-virus running and see if it resolves the problem. I'll be back.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 15:53:14
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Make sure to expand the SONAR Platinum item to see all the other packages. Based on this Gerry
the Engineering FX Suite and Studio Mixing Suite did not get installed.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 16:20:08
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Don't forget about the Nomad series plug-ins, there's a stereo widener/narrower in that bundle that will do the job nicely. It should be included in Platinum.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 16:36:23
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All the plugin suites and collections in C3 should list every product they include on their individual info panes so everyone knows which installer installs what.
Also dont forget about the search bar at the top of the plugin browser if you want to quickly find a specific plugin.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 19:46:56
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A quick story about Channel Tools: I was working on some spoken stage audio recently, recorded with two condenser mics on opposite sides of a performance space. When using Channel Tools to narrow the stereo field, I noticed significant harsheness caused, most likely, by phase cancellation. Because if a sound from the left mic takes time to travel to the right mic, and some of that left channel is mixed straight into the right channel without the delay, phasing issues (and therefore harshness) may result.
I ended up using Izotope Ozone's stereo imager for the job, and the result sounded much, much cleaner. Maybe it's because Ozone can detect and compensate for such delays. Or maybe it's because I did most of the extreme centering on lower frequency bands, and just did a partial stereo field reduction on the upper bands.
The moral: if you have Ozone, I'd suggest using that instead.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
2015/01/29 19:59:39
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A quick story about Channel Tools: I was working on some spoken stage audio recently, recorded with two condenser mics on opposite sides of a performance space. When using Channel Tools to narrow the stereo field, I noticed significant harsheness caused, most likely, by phase cancellation. Because if a sound from the left mic takes time to travel to the right mic, and some of that left channel is mixed straight into the right channel without the delay, phasing issues (and therefore harshness) may result.
Channel Tools has independent delays for each channel that you can adjust down to the individual sample. You can also flip polarity independently. The advantage of Ozone is that it's multiband. I use it for vinyl prep to drag the bass down to mono while leaving everything else as is.
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Re: Can you narrow the stereo field in sonar Platinum
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OK you hit the nail on the head Scook scook
Channel Tools in the Engineering FX Suite, maybe it did not get installed.
I suppose I could raise the question why did Command Center state installation complete when infact it was not the case? Uninstall was fine hower the reinstall would stop as in period at 77.56% after two attempts and three hours I called it a night.  Maybe heavy traffic was the reason. This morning success and it fully installed all products and here is what I was looking for just to prove it  Hi Mod Bod no big deal just got so used to having it at hand in the mixing consul without having to put a vst in but certainly not a deal breaker. Lastly I will use Ozone which has for a long time been my swiss army knife plugin not sure that that says a lot for Platinum though but there you go. Perhaps Ozone should be bundled in LOL Lastly many thanks for all the help and I will mark this as resolved.
post edited by Gerry - 2015/01/30 05:03:26
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