Bule
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Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
Just starting out people so bear with me here but I'm using M-Audio USB with 8.5 and can get a nice input level and can record and hear it back thru playback(( computer monitors) but can't hear what I'm playing thru the computer monitors which is the internal Realtek 97 and basic audo card. If I connect the output from the Mobile pre to an amp / speaker I can hear but the latency is horrible. What kind of setup do I need to hear myself using guitar and VST plugins like Guitar Rig 3 and Session Drummer 3 ?
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 20:40:03
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Welcome to the world of latency.
List your computer specs (OS, drives info., RAM, etc.).
Latency is a fact of life, but there are things that can be done to keep it bearable. You might also want to search the forums for 'latency', and you'll have reading material for days.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 20:42:12
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PS, also read the help file on input echo (for your input monitoring issue), and (as others will surely tell you), start saving up (or ask Santa) for a soundcard that trumps the RealTek, which isn't ever going to give you the performance that you'll really need to get the most out of Sonar.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 21:00:17
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Go to options-audio advanced and select ASIO mode for the M-Audio card. Don't use the Realtek.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 21:23:49
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OS is Windows XP SP3. HP Pavillion with 2.7GHZ and. 760MB of Ram.
If I change to ASIO I loose all of my inputs and everything is blank. I have to be in WDM/KS for everything to be good.
I've read that PCI cards with midi in and joystick are the way to go with latency so what do you think about it. Should I be able to hear using just computer speakers or do I have to use the Mobile USB outputs to get sound. What about desk monitors like the MA-70''s I read about ?
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 21:34:47
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Bule
OS is Windows XP SP3. HP Pavillion with 2.7GHZ and. 760MB of Ram.
If I change to ASIO I loose all of my inputs and everything is blank. I have to be in WDM/KS for everything to be good.
I've read that PCI cards with midi in and joystick are the way to go with latency so what do you think about it. Should I be able to hear using just computer speakers or do I have to use the Mobile USB outputs to get sound. What about desk monitors like the MA-70''s I read about ?
Uh No. Midi in and joystick "do not exist" on anything near pro quality sound. Don't know where you would have read that-maybe they meant for games and audio. I find it hard to beleive (maybe a typo?) that you can run Guitar rig, Sess drummer 3 and Sonar 85 with 760mb ram. Are you sure about the ram? You do really need to lose the internal realtek. Maudio Audiophile2496 can be found for under $100-has midi and all(no joystick) I have 1, among others.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 22:26:00
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Uh No. Midi in and joystick "do not exist" on anything near pro quality sound. Don't know where you would have read that-maybe they meant for games and audio. I find it hard to beleive (maybe a typo?) that you can run Guitar rig, Sess drummer 3 and Sonar 85 with 760mb ram. Are you sure about the ram? You do really need to lose the internal realtek. Maudio Audiophile2496 can be found for under $100-has midi and all(no joystick) I have 1, among others.
Ok I must have read a game topic on the PCI but I agree on losing the Realtek AC97. My System properties read 760MB of Ram so how much should I have ? I'm gonna build a new machine around March dedicated to just recording so I'm trying to learn what I can in the meantime . What setup would you guys recommend for best Audio and latency issues ?
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 22:32:56
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Get some decent monitors too. Your computer speakers aren't going to last 5 minutes if you start playing a guitar or synths through them.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 22:43:51
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BTW-midi does exist, I meant the joystick) $$ is almost always the issue. Depends what you want to do? I record only guitars(Elec and sometimes Accoustic) and my vocals. The rest (*drums, bass,keys is all midi-softsynths-I only use/need the ones that came with Sonar, which you have also . So I don't need a whole lot. I am always shopping though, just the nature of the beast. I have a lowly core 2 duo e6600 (by todays daw standards). But It does what I need, for now.I do have seperate HD for audio. and 4GB ram(using 3.2gb only-32bit Windows). I mean you can go crazy money wise. So if you post what you want to do(like my example for me) These forum folks can really help you. But you don't need all that much to get your feet wet. As my system and $100 audio card will attest to. I do have 2 other plugs-, not CW-but they are for mixing and mastering-
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/14 23:01:29
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2 Gig Ram is considered by many a minimum.
4 gig is nice.
Over 4 gig is very nice (but again, it depends on what you want to do; if you don't have a ton of piano, orchestra, and drum softsynths with huge libraries, then 2 Gig can work great - it's what I have!)
Search the forum for posts on monitors, RAM, and soundcards. Your concerns have been faced by thousands of Sonar users before you, and great advice is all over these threads.
We have here a potentially expensive hobby. But remember to take it step by step, improving things one notch at a time, and don't feel like you have to spend $3000 tomorrow to be able to record quality stuff - you don't.
Just make sure that your purchases are well researched, and appropriate to your goals.
Best,
Ed
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 01:27:05
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I have the impression NO ONE read the question....
The Op also uses an M-audio usb audio device....
To the OP: YOU NEVER Monitor or listen back through your realtec/ computer speakers combo...
You HAVE TO use the outputs of your M-audio USB. Connect them to speakers and/ or plug a pair of headphones into them...
You SHOULD NOT get IN the M-audio and OUT the realtec...Madness.
Oh yeah: RTFM of your equipment :-)...
Hugo
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 02:59:10
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Well said Hugo.
Bule: I don't belive that you have 760MB of RAM. Do a Start/Run, type dxdiag and press enter. Don't bother with certification checks if it asks. Report back with the amount shown next to 'Memory' on the front page of the application.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 03:09:40
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Bule: I don't belive that you have 760MB of RAM. Maybe possible 512 + 256 = 768 but if thats the case it also = not enough.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 03:35:54
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Glyn,
needless to say I realised just after I clicked 'Post' that it might be possible to have that combination.
But then I wonderd how HP could get away with supplying such a niggardly amount of RAM in one of its laptops.
I suppose the OP could have increased an original 512MB though.
However, you're absolutely right. They need a coupld of gigs. And it might just be cheaper to buy a new Dell.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 07:23:15
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Did the check and it showed 758 but it also showed 321 used and 1536Mb available so how can it be 758 if it has 1536 available. Is some maybe not accesed or not enabled somehow ?
I'm doing some pretty big projects in the future so I will need a nice setup and realize what it's going to cost but also want to be as efficient as possible. I'm a all in one Musician and pretty much do everything but will bring some help in occasionally . Drum machines,Guitar,Bass Keys,Vocals,synth. I'm an Amp Tech and have several amps and equipment to use but not crap for Studio playback. Really love Sonar 8.5 producer so far and this site and support is just unreal but it's what I expect from Roland as I just love their stuff and am a big fan. I have a VS-880 but it's just not enough and tracks are a vital neccesity. So should I stay USB or go PCI and out to the Monitors and what about the latency issues from USB outs ?
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 07:44:39
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Bule
Did the check and it showed 758 but it also showed 321 used and 1536Mb available so how can it be 758 if it has 1536 available. Is some maybe not accesed or not enabled somehow ?
I'm doing some pretty big projects in the future so I will need a nice setup and realize what it's going to cost but also want to be as efficient as possible. I'm a all in one Musician and pretty much do everything but will bring some help in occasionally . Drum machines,Guitar,Bass Keys,Vocals,synth. I'm an Amp Tech and have several amps and equipment to use but not crap for Studio playback. Really love Sonar 8.5 producer so far and this site and support is just unreal but it's what I expect from Roland as I just love their stuff and am a big fan. I have a VS-880 but it's just not enough and tracks are a vital neccesity. So should I stay USB or go PCI and out to the Monitors and what about the latency issues from USB outs ?
Not to be harsh, but is this your first computer? You really need to learn a bit more about these machines and what the numbers mean. Just guessing, but from the numbers you cite you're looking at a total of actual amount of ram (which can't be 758 meg) and virtual memory. Exactly what model Pavillion do you have? Desktop or laptop? Actually, a full list of what you have would help us a lot in determining what you need and what to get rid of. Unfortunately the Realtek can't be 86'd as it's built-in to your motherboard. It can be disabled, though. Something just hit me as to the ram question: some onboard video chips use system ram instead of dedicated video ram. But then again we don't know exactly what's in the system to begin with.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 07:56:40
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Bule
Did the check and it showed 758 but it also showed 321 used and 1536Mb available so how can it be 758 if it has 1536 available. Is some maybe not accesed or not enabled somehow ?
I'm doing some pretty big projects in the future so I will need a nice setup and realize what it's going to cost but also want to be as efficient as possible. I'm a all in one Musician and pretty much do everything but will bring some help in occasionally . Drum machines,Guitar,Bass Keys,Vocals,synth. I'm an Amp Tech and have several amps and equipment to use but not crap for Studio playback. Really love Sonar 8.5 producer so far and this site and support is just unreal but it's what I expect from Roland as I just love their stuff and am a big fan. I have a VS-880 but it's just not enough and tracks are a vital neccesity. So should I stay USB or go PCI and out to the Monitors and what about the latency issues from USB outs ?
Maybe the swap file is counted along with 758 mb? USB interfaces perform a little slower then Firewire and certainly slower then PCI/ PCIe cards, but are less prone to "problems" (compatibility) then firewire interfaces. So you cannot go as low latency- wise. But sometimes that is also not really necessary... Depends on the use. For Guitar Rig and the like (in- AND output latency!!) for example you need a really fast interface... Interfaces come in all flavours...To start with you will have to decide how many simultanious inputs (XLR/ MIC/ Phantom power???) you need. If you do "just audio" and no softsynths and real time amp simulation your does not need to be that "fast". Even your computer need not to be very powerfull. They managed to record a lot of tracks at the same time some 15 years ago too you know... It is mostly softsynths and effects that eat CPU power. Sample libraries eat memory. Audio tracks eat Hard disk (many tracks streaming need a "fast disk" but most desktop disks are plenty fast enough nowadays)...Audio tracks also eat SPACE!! But then again disks are "cheap" now...
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 08:37:26
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Bule
Did the check and it showed 758 but it also showed 321 used and 1536Mb available so how can it be 758 if it has 1536 available. Is some maybe not accesed or not enabled somehow ?
I'm doing some pretty big projects in the future so I will need a nice setup and realize what it's going to cost but also want to be as efficient as possible. I'm a all in one Musician and pretty much do everything but will bring some help in occasionally . Drum machines,Guitar,Bass Keys,Vocals,synth. I'm an Amp Tech and have several amps and equipment to use but not crap for Studio playback. Really love Sonar 8.5 producer so far and this site and support is just unreal but it's what I expect from Roland as I just love their stuff and am a big fan. I have a VS-880 but it's just not enough and tracks are a vital neccesity. So should I stay USB or go PCI and out to the Monitors and what about the latency issues from USB outs ?
You said you have xp. Well, press the windows key then immediately tap the pause key, that will tell you how much ram you have w/o throwing page files in the way.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 09:51:49
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Ok I'll post back tonight with all the gear and try the Windows button. You are right Jack that I need to know more about computers and embarrssed that I've had one for about 20 years and don't know any more but never needed too. I'm an analog freak and tubes and electronics or what I know so even though I know Digital just not computer savy yet but I will be very soon.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 19:02:52
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Any kinda way I do it ,all I'm showing is 760MB of Ram so I need a couple of Gig right ?I'll get it asap so that brings me to gear and all I have is
Pavillion 305W / with RW DVD/CD PLAYER
2.7GHZ, 760MB Ram
Gateway Monitor EV700
Mobile Pre USB
Sonar 8.5 producer
3 Condensor Mics (yamaha 2000), 2 -sm57's and a sm58
Homebrew Mic pre's
Many Guitar amps and bass amps and cabs for days
VS-880 Roland
Presonus VXP
DigiTech Studio 2101
TASCAM CD-RW700 Disc recorder
Yamaha MM6 Keyboard
Alesis SR16 Drum Machine
3 Ibanez Guitars,1 Larivee D-05 Acoustic
Ibanez Bass
Many distortion pedals and a few more processor pedals
What do you think I need or what is mandatory next. I'll build as I go as of course money is tight and the new computer won't come until at least March or maybe tax time.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 19:21:39
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Bule
Any kinda way I do it ,all I'm showing is 760MB of Ram so I need a couple of Gig right ?I'll get it asap so that brings me to gear and all I have is
Pavillion 305W / with RW DVD/CD PLAYER
2.7GHZ, 760MB Ram
Gateway Monitor EV700
Mobile Pre USB
Sonar 8.5 producer
3 Condensor Mics (yamaha 2000), 2 -sm57's and a sm58
Homebrew Mic pre's
Many Guitar amps and bass amps and cabs for days
VS-880 Roland
Presonus VXP
DigiTech Studio 2101
TASCAM CD-RW700 Disc recorder
Yamaha MM6 Keyboard
Alesis SR16 Drum Machine
3 Ibanez Guitars,1 Larivee D-05 Acoustic
Ibanez Bass
Many distortion pedals and a few more processor pedals
What do you think I need or what is mandatory next. I'll build as I go as of course money is tight and the new computer won't come until at least March or maybe tax time.
Dude - you need a new computer - that thing's ancient - circa 2003. And it only has a Celeron processor in it. For those that are wondering, here's a little info I dug up on this thing: http://h10025.www1.hp.com...&docname=c00038821 Max of 1 gig possible to put in it - you'll need more than that to even begin to use, yet alone run, Sonar 8.5 Best thing is to get a new machine and use this oldie as an internet machine. Don't even begin to think about upgrading this machine - ain't worth it. Sorry 'bout that. You've got some good equipment there that deserves a better computer.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 20:14:30
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Dang Jack, you sure know how to make a grown man cry.  Was hoping to get by until after the new year + with this POS but it looks like I'm gonna have to get a new machine. We went through the specs today at work and mapped out a new machine and it looks good but let me ask how come everything pulls up and I'm having no issues yet ? When I start adding tracks and using Ram is when it's going to shut down ? I'm just gonna learn as much as I can in that time frame with what I got and from the forum reading as much as I can and get notes on exactly the best bang for buck items and latency response issues. Still would like a rundown and list of what you think and somemore setups that you guys have. I'm very impressed with everyone here and the gear everyone uses is mindboggling tstl.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/15 20:55:03
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Hi,
Assuming that you are using Sonar 8.5PE.
Go to options>audio and a pop up window opens
on the advanced tab in the playback and recording section make sure that you have set the driver mode to wdm/ks; select 'share drivers with other programs' and 'always open all devices'
apply changes
on the drivers tab ensure that all inputs and outputs from the M-Audio and the internal Realtek 97 card show. If the realtek does not show then make sure that it is enabled in your windows devices list (accessible through the control panel under sound and audio devices). the realtek should show line in/mic in as inputs and the output should show speaker 1 or somthing like that.
apply changes
on the general tab select the 'speaker' driver as your playback timing master.
On the genral tab you will also find the section 'mixing latency' ... move the buffer side to the extreme right when doing playback only and not playing along with the recorded material. move it to the left if you want to play along in real time ... keep adjusting this slider value until drop outs stop - make sure that your 'live' instrument is plugged into the m-audio's inputs and the track has been record enabled.
if you do not get sound from your PC speakers' outputs then i advise upgrading
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/16 02:43:08
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Bule
Any kinda way I do it ,all I'm showing is 760MB of Ram so I need a couple of Gig right ?I'll get it asap so that brings me to gear and all I have is
Pavillion 305W / with RW DVD/CD PLAYER
2.7GHZ, 760MB Ram
Gateway Monitor EV700
Mobile Pre USB
Sonar 8.5 producer
3 Condensor Mics (yamaha 2000), 2 -sm57's and a sm58
Homebrew Mic pre's
Many Guitar amps and bass amps and cabs for days
VS-880 Roland
Presonus VXP
DigiTech Studio 2101
TASCAM CD-RW700 Disc recorder
Yamaha MM6 Keyboard
Alesis SR16 Drum Machine
3 Ibanez Guitars,1 Larivee D-05 Acoustic
Ibanez Bass
Many distortion pedals and a few more processor pedals
What do you think I need or what is mandatory next. I'll build as I go as of course money is tight and the new computer won't come until at least March or maybe tax time.
Hello, As I stated before, you do NOT need a new computer PER SE! All depends on the use. I see you have a lot of hardware there like REAL synths and such. As long as you do not "puch" the pc with a lot of softsynths and effects in software it should work. Just use the PC for midi from and to your synth (to which you should connect speakers OF COURSE. Your original question: WHY USE YOUR REALTEC!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????? You have an m-audio card, use that one for ins and outs.. Hook speakers to THAT CARD. IF you need to hear other sources like your hardware synth and drum computer alongside your recorded (or recording) guitar, Hook the output of your M-audio AND the other sources up to a SMALL (or big, hehe) mixer...Watch out for feedback loops! Your problem is a ROUTING problem, not a pc problem.... Hugo
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/16 07:25:53
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/16 07:34:38
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hugojacquet
Hello,
As I stated before, you do NOT need a new computer PER SE!
All depends on the use.
I see you have a lot of hardware there like REAL synths and such. As long as you do not "puch" the pc with a lot of softsynths and effects in software it should work.
Just use the PC for midi from and to your synth (to which you should connect speakers OF COURSE.
Your original question: WHY USE YOUR REALTEC!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
You have an m-audio card, use that one for ins and outs.. Hook speakers to THAT CARD.
IF you need to hear other sources like your hardware synth and drum computer alongside your recorded (or recording) guitar, Hook the output of your M-audio AND the other sources up to a SMALL (or big, hehe) mixer...Watch out for feedback loops!
Your problem is a ROUTING problem, not a pc problem....
Hugo
Hugo: If you look at the specs for S8.5 you'll see a minimum spec of 1 gig ram - the OP doesn't even come close to that. And the recommended is more than that. His machine will only take a max of 1 gig, so even if he upgrades that, he'll still be hamstrung if he wants to do anything more than just record and playback MIDI. Audio recording - forget about it. It's a matter of economics and throwing good money away - best to get a new machine with enough ram and a proper processor (not a Celeron) and be set to go well into the future. If the OP doesn't have unnecessary Windows services turned off, that will eat up the amount of real ram available. Using the swap file as if it were real memory in silicon is foolish - the seek and read/write times are horrid compared to actual ram. To the OP - go to PC Audiolabs (they build the machines Cake uses) or see Scott at ADK (he posts here under the name jcschild) or Jim Roseberry (he also posts here) at Studiocat for machines that will do the job and won't cost you an arm and a leg (unless you really want to spend the money) and will run Sonar like it should be run.
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hugojacquet
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/16 18:05:34
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The memory is indeed on the (very) low side. The processor will indeed not run many softsynths and plugins. BUT basic functionality WILL work if just used for audio and midi in cponjunction with hardware synths....I ran cubase SX &, 2, 3 on an athlon XP 2800 not THAT long ago! My previous laptop was a Celoron mobile (a centrino with les cache) 1.5 with one gig ram and onboard video. Worked very well with cubase SX3 and Sonar 6 and 7...
I DO agree he will not have to push it really hard. But his initial question was how it came he had no sound through his PC speakers/ Realtec while recording through an M-audio mobile pre usb. I do NOT see the PC problem here, just an user error/ misconfiguration.
As it is now he has/ we have NO IDEA if his PC will handel what he throws will throw at it. Granted all WILL run smoother with a better PC. But let him first solve his routing "problem", which would be exactly the same with a "better" PC.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/16 19:41:00
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hugojacquet
The memory is indeed on the (very) low side. The processor will indeed not run many softsynths and plugins. BUT basic functionality WILL work if just used for audio and midi in cponjunction with hardware synths....I ran cubase SX &, 2, 3 on an athlon XP 2800 not THAT long ago! My previous laptop was a Celoron mobile (a centrino with les cache) 1.5 with one gig ram and onboard video. Worked very well with cubase SX3 and Sonar 6 and 7...
I DO agree he will not have to push it really hard. But his initial question was how it came he had no sound through his PC speakers/ Realtec while recording through an M-audio mobile pre usb. I do NOT see the PC problem here, just an user error/ misconfiguration.
As it is now he has/ we have NO IDEA if his PC will handel what he throws will throw at it. Granted all WILL run smoother with a better PC. But let him first solve his routing "problem", which would be exactly the same with a "better" PC.
Hugo: Just because your system ran elderly versions of Cubase (who cares about that?) and older, less demanding on a computer versions of Sonar doesn't mean bule's less than minimum spec machine will even begin to run Sonar 8.5. We DO have an idea if his current pc will run Sonar 8.5 - the sad fact is it really won't. Solving his 'routing problem' will only reveal that his system is totally inadequate to do the task at hand. Bule realizes that now. Solve one disappointment and reveal another. Not a good bargain. We're just lucky CJ hasn't chimed in on this thread - imagine what he would say.
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Re:Can't Hear Guitar or VST via Computer Speakers
2009/12/17 03:33:16
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I give up...almost.....Older (by about 5 years) versions of cubase nd sonar are MORE demanding....On the contrary....And that IS a fact, sonar 8 and 8.5 engine are MORE efficient.
SOME NEW FEATURES will be more demanding and maybe inpossible to use with an olde computer.
You are really like that garagist that says that you have to replace the vcar because it consumes too much and only runs 70 mph while one just wanted his tires replaced..
AND solving his primary problem DOESN'T have to cost ANYTHING...
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