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Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ...

Hello ...
 
I have recently purchased SONAR X1 and have installed it on one of my PCs (spec summarised below). However, whilst I am able to play the demo audio files and projects supplied with SONAR, I am completely unable to play my own MIDI files.
I have tried the following so far without success:
 - saving the MIDI to a SONAR project
 - playing the MIDI track as-is
 - selecting the MME-32 driver
 - selecting the ASIOforALL v2 driver
All to no avail.
My MIDI files play perfectly in Mixcraft 5, Calkwalk Music Creator and several other DAWs of various vendors and vintage.
 
Any help would be appreciated and rewarded with a beer if ever you are in Wiltshire.
 
Kenneth Spencer
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post edited by kaspencer - 2011/05/02 13:10:55

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    Stone House Studios
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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 13:48:10 (permalink)
    What sound producing devices (Soft synths, external synths) are you trying to use?

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 14:01:45 (permalink)
    Yes, you need to load in a VST instrument...say, Dimension Pro for instance...to play your midi files through.  Midi is just informational data and needs to "trigger" an instrument to play.  HTH.

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 14:54:01 (permalink)
    Like said above. MIDI is just instructions. Some players, Quicktime for instance, and I'm guessing the programs you listed, either have a built in synth or a default so it auto-routes those instructions to a sound generating source.

    Load up the VSC or TTS-1 and route your midi track(s) to it and it'll play.

    If it's a standard multitrack MIDI file (type I) it should pick up default assignments for channels (1 piano, 10 drums) otherwise you have the great power to select which sounds each track will control. Sometimes that can be helpful for figuring out alternate parts. Assign your drum track to a marimba...why not?!


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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 14:55:17 (permalink)
    +1 to what's said above.
    Using the onboard Realtek will surely cause you latency problems when trying to multitrack with soft syntyhs, so getting a decent audio interface is recommendable.
    You won't be able to use the full recording potential of you computer with that chip, unfortunately.

    If you did not choose any soft synths when using Mixcraft and MC and could still hear sound it might be that being entry level apps they perhaps used the Wavetable Synth as default. It's the weakest option qualitywise.


    Having used DAWs of "several vendors and vintage" I'm sincerely surprised you haven't pumbed into the basics of MIDI, because it's a standard that follows the same rules totally in spite of the
    software.

    The manual and the tutorials are useful, really.

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 14:57:47 (permalink)
    if your using a keyboard or something to trigger your midi notes chances are mme aint going to to do nothing but give you latency.youll need asio4all on that and possibly a new soundcard..i find it amazing you just spent 400 dollars on a software but your using asio4 all?lol.seriously,asio4all creates conflicts and though does work sometimes well if set up right its a bandaid...your going to need something better.

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 15:32:34 (permalink)
    Hi kaspencer, you need a proper audio interface. The onboard sound of your motherboard is ok for listening to mp3's or playing games, but you now have Rolls Royce audio software, and you need to splash out on a decent audio interface. 

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 15:51:32 (permalink)
    onbaord Realtek HD Audio
     


    This is like a whole new wave of folks using on-board sound cards, did everyone get a new computer with their tax returns or something?


    Here's my little speech: using on-board sound chips for DAW-type work is like putting a lawn mower engine in a race car. Not to mention all the technical problems you'll have. Save yourself an ulcer and drop $150 on a good interface, you won't regret it.




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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 17:21:55 (permalink)
    like putting a lawn mower engine in a race car.

     
    Dude, have you ever seen those racing lawn mowers?  Gotta be the equivalent to a good Soundblaster, at least! 
     
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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 17:32:27 (permalink)
    Yeah but when I hook it up to my DAW it fills the studio with gas fumes.

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/02 22:17:36 (permalink)
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    ..i find it amazing you just spent 400 dollars on a software but your using asio4 all?lol.seriously,asio4all creates conflicts and though does work sometimes well if set up right its a bandaid...your going to need something better.

    Some people start at entry level with X1 Essential which only costs about £60 in the UK not 400 dollars and I use ASIO4ALL drivers with my A&H ZED10 because no ASIO drivers are provided, so it all seems reasonable to me.

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/03 00:08:23 (permalink)
    Yeah but if you're gonna do music stuffs it's legit to buy an interface. It doesn't lock you into any specific program and is only gonna make life easier.

    That said, I don't got any probz with ASIO4ALL. I used them a bit a while back when my 24/96 wasn't playing right. 

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/04 04:56:05 (permalink)
    First, thanks for all the comments and advice on this little problem.

    Regarding the absence of sound when playing MIDI files: Wicked, you were dead right, I hadn't realised that there was no built-in synth in SONARX1, and as soon as I loaded one, all was well. Thanks for that.

    Regarding the somewhat disparaging remarks about "low-end DAWs": in my opinion you may be confusing "low-end" with "higher-value", as I consider Mixcraft 5 to be a very good product, and it has most of the features of SONARX1 at a much lower cost. And I also consider the Acoustica Instrument set which is supplied with it to be amonst the best I have heard. If you are in any doubt please try them.

    Regarding "getting a proper sound-card": Plazma, I'm glad to say that I already have an M-Audio Delta 1010LT card in the PC. It was not mentioned because at the time I wasn't using it with SONARX1, but I have it, and I recognise the comments made - they were just a bit presumptive!

    And Plazma - I have 2 Strats, and a Gibson Les Paul eh! And a Yamaha baby grand! You can't really beat real instruments eh! Until you gat a Hauptwerk console that is. And a Terratec AXON (but now I want one of those new Roland Guitar synths).

    Finally, all is now well I'm glad to say, so thanks again for the help! My real error was not failing to understand MIDI (as Kalle-Rantaho said) but simply missing a point about SONARX1.
     
    All the best,
     
    Ken
     
    post edited by kaspencer - 2011/05/04 05:03:13

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/04 10:28:09 (permalink)
    Nice you got it working.
    There's no "built in synth" in Music Creator either, and I doubt if there's one in Mixcraft. There are VST's which you need to insert to hear NIDI-sound. It's the GS Wavetable Synth that most programs use if no soft synth is used but it's not built in any sequencer. That's the same thing in most (all?)apps, it's not a X1 feature.

    Let's not confuse "entry level" with "low level". Entry level does not mean poor quality, it means they are a little more simple and have less options. I don't doubt Mixcrafts quality in any way, on the opposite, I've heard good comments about it..

    We answer based on the info you give. We were in no way presumptive (if I understand the word correctly) regarding the soundcard. To us you simply were a Realtek-user :o)

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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2011/05/04 11:09:50 (permalink)
    Thanks for that, Kalle ... that's all fine.
     
    Regards
     
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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2015/09/28 08:46:54 (permalink)
    The Quick answer is go to 
     
    Edit 
    preferences
    then select midi output. It is most likely unchecked. 
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    Re:Cannot play MIDI files in SONAR X1, X1a or X1b ... 2015/09/28 13:36:59 (permalink)
    Chris Foster Songs
    The Quick answer is go to 
     
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    OP has resolved this (see previous post).
    As the thread is from 2011 it certainly wasn't a quick answer LOL :).

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