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Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
I don't know what happened but all of the sudden im not able to record session drummer or cw soundcenter as soon as I click on a key or a drum in drummer I hear the sound and see the level on console etc but when I click record I hear metronome and nothing I press gets recorded. I don't know what could have magicly happened . I was using wdm driver when I first trtyed to record vocals then I found out that asio setting is the way to go so sonar is set on that I was able to record clear vocals with no whinning sound in the mic.
For some reason when I tried to load a wave sample I created in Cubase I tried to load session drummer to play right along side the audio track and for some reason nothing im tapping is recording . All I wanted to do was the dark kit to the chopped up sample but for some reason no data is being picked up??? any ideas its prolly something stupid im overlooking
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 05:11:47
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Just to be sure you are seeing what is expected...................to record session drummer you'll be recording MIDI data not audio. Once the data is there you can freeze or bounce to tracks to create the audio wavefile.
Is it MIDI you are trying to record?
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 05:50:25
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"All of a sudden"???? It's never been possible, nor ment to be, to record the drums clicking the drums or keys on the VST user interface.
(Well, theoretically, you can record "What U hear" but that's not the way, really)
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 07:32:44
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yes it can be done I was doing it. ??? what do you call it when session drummer is playing a preset kit sound in loop?? If session drummer is a vst then why would one assume its audio data im trying to record??? When you load the vst whatever kind of data its setup to do is what it will record right??? so why ask me if im trying to record midi when you know session drummer is midi and that's the track that wont output data.
Regardless of how many tracks im trying to record or weather its midi or audio when I hit record and tap my pads I don't get any data. this just happened last night .
Im pretty sure Microsoft synth wave gs was checked before however when I recheck it says hd audio not connected reroute to an available device. so I can see the meters moving but I cant hear anything. When I go back and uncheck
ms synth gs under output I magicly get sound when I touch my pads or click the mouse over the vst keyboard note.
I have 2 only 2 outputs that show akai mpd and ms synth wave gs.
All im trying to do is play a simple vst and record it im trying to record session drummer along with my imported wav file which was just a sample from an old beatles album. so the audio data is already there now I just gotta get the session drummer to beable to record what I play again. Im using onboard sound btw and sonar x2 64 win7 64
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 07:43:08
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so why ask me if im trying to record midi when you know session drummer is midi and that's the track that wont output data. I'm guessing because you will have 2 tracks assigned to that VST - a midi track and an audio track. FB was just checking you had correctly armed the midi track to capture the note data, rather than the audio output. If you can 'play' and hear/see it then it sounds like the record arm is not being set quite right.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 07:52:29
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If you armed the midi track associated with the vst and you can hear the sound when you trigger the pads then you should be ready to record. I suggest you start a new project and try again to see if it works for you. You will not need the microsoft synth wave gs thing.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 07:56:29
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I don't know for the past 2 weeks since I got my computer upgraded and fixed I have been able to insert soft synth like fm8 or session drummer and load a kit or preset in fm8 and I would just click the record button make it turn red on the track im working with and then hit the main transport record button touch my pads and play a kick a snare a hit and sonar would pickup that data as im playing .
Now for some reason when I hit record no pad I touch 1-16 outputs the data yet I can see the meters move when I press a pad and hear the kick or snare or in fm8 the sound yet nothing is picked up
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 07:57:51
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ive tried loading an older project obviously ive closed and restarted sonar a million times and its not picking up what I play
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 08:01:18
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you don't need to touch any setting when inserting the vst like output to midi or stereo output anything like that. You should be able to just load the vst and hit ok and everything normally records. I must have somehow touched a setting without knowing its wierd
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 08:09:20
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....If session drummer is a vst then why would one assume its audio data im trying to record??? When you load the vst whatever kind of data its setup to do is what it will record right??? so why ask me if im trying to record midi when you know session drummer is midi and that's the track that wont output data. my guess is he neglected to Vulcan Mind Meld with you first.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 08:12:26
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I tried switching driver modes from asio to mme and it has no effect
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 08:12:59
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Well...read again your opening post.
You did not tell you are using an Akai hardware drum pad. You talked about "clicking a key or a drum", which understandably made me/us assume you're clicking the drums or virtual keys on the GUI with your mouse. Neither did you tell anything about your routing etc., GS wavetable... We are not mind readers, we only know what you precisely tell us about what you're doing.
What are you using the GS Wavetable synth for? Please try to focus and give a clear picture of how your in/out settings are per track and project etc.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 08:29:27
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I agree with kale, the more info and clear as you can possibly be will be helpful, I read you first couple posts thinking, "that's impossible" then it appeared you snapped and started getting upset.
as I read on it appeared you were doing something different.
please keep in mind , we are not paid technicians, we are people taking precious time out of our schedules to help you solve your problem.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 08:33:31
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I had lost connection with my akai a few hours ago I was touching the pads and they weren't doing anything. I unplugged and replugged my cable back in and unchecked Microsoft gs. Now im able to trigger sounds with my mpd and see the console mixer levels going up and down and hear sounds but nothing records.
I tried to record session drummer sounds by clicking my mouse over the kick drum and also by pressing pads on my mpd yet nothing is picked up.
Ok don't ask me how but I looked under prefrences midi and devices and I selected akai mpd as the output and akai mpd as the input and it appears that now sonar is picking up the midi data I just was able to record a few notes I played live.
Thanks for trying to understand me anyways I think I got it fixed idk why but I believe I tried checking off mpd for the input and it dident work but now it is.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 08:49:02
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wait there is still some kind of a problem. It appears that im able to play live but how do I just record a preset drum beat
Do I have to set the output differently In the console??? Before I could play the drum loop and record it. Now im only able to record what im playing live it seems???
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 08:58:33
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jbl420
so why ask me if im trying to record midi when you know session drummer is midi and that's the track that wont output data.
The reason I asked is because in your OP you said..........
I don't know what happened but all of the sudden im not able to record session drummer or cw soundcenter as soon as I click on a key or a drum in drummer I hear the sound and see the level on console etc but when I click record I hear metronome and nothing I press gets recorded.
You mentioned hearing it but not being able to record it. Not being a mind reader I was trying to establish what you were expecting to record. Good luck..........
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 09:23:46
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Yea but none of those mentioned are audio tracks. Don't you know that soundcenter and session drummer are both midi. No guess work about it
I dident mention anywhere that I was having a problem recording audio tracks I simply mentioned that I was trying to record vst plugins that are obviously midi.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to add a vst and play it sonar creates the track for you to record.
You sound like your almost implying that sonar doesn't know its butt from its elbow.
When you load a sample sonar creates an audio track on its own usually audio for a plugin usually midi withy sonar you don't even have to figure out what type of track your recording it does it for you.
So even if your a newbie to recording sonar does the work for you
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 09:32:24
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A lot of people come here asking how to record a VSTi to wav. The answer is bounce to track or freeze. You were very unclear in your original post as to what you wanted to do. Being able to communicate with common terminology will greatly aid in getting help here. I do not know what you mean by this.
“It appears that im able to play live but how do I just record a preset drum beat “
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 09:34:58
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I here you but why is it that I can now record the drums if I play them on the controller but however I cannot record the prerecorded drum loops session drummer has anymore.
I pick hiphop kit and load it hit loop and press record I here the drums playing but yet they aren't being pickup. However I can atleast play them live. what am I doing wrong now do I have to set my soundcard to stereo mix or something stupid
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 09:48:21
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I think I know what is happening here. I'm more familar with EZDrummer but I bet it's the same. You are effectively previewing the loop within the VST (EZD/SD or whatever) but you are not triggering midi information at this time.
To *record* those loops you need to record the midi trigger information. In EZD you either trigger that with key note presses which you record, or you drag the midi file directly onto the track. I actually seem to remember struggling with the Sonar SD VST in exactly the same way - couldn't figure out how to record those midi loops.
Try editing the PRV directly and adding some midi note information in there for the VST track. I'll wager that will trigger for you.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 09:48:48
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jbl420
I here you but why is it that I can now record the drums if I play them on the controller but however I cannot record the prerecorded drum loops session drummer has anymore.
I pick hiphop kit and load it hit loop and press record I here the drums playing but yet they aren't being pickup. However I can atleast play them live. what am I doing wrong now do I have to set my soundcard to stereo mix or something stupid
You can’t record that way. Adjacent to “midi” on the session drummer gui there is a musical note with a little plus sign. Depending on how you inserted your soft synth (e.g. instrument track or both audio and midi track) left mouse click the plus sign and drag it to the instrument track or the midi track.
post edited by rabeach - 2013/03/27 10:14:14
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 14:30:04
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^^^^^^^^
You don't really recording the predefined SD loops, you drag them from the GUI to a track's PRV as MIDI clips. \
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 16:09:48
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jbl420
Yea but none of those mentioned are audio tracks. Don't you know that soundcenter and session drummer are both midi. No guess work about it
I dident mention anywhere that I was having a problem recording audio tracks I simply mentioned that I was trying to record vst plugins that are obviously midi.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to add a vst and play it sonar creates the track for you to record.
You sound like your almost implying that sonar doesn't know its butt from its elbow.
When you load a sample sonar creates an audio track on its own usually audio for a plugin usually midi withy sonar you don't even have to figure out what type of track your recording it does it for you.
So even if your a newbie to recording sonar does the work for you
again im having a hard time understanding how people are actually helping you right now. the attitude, you need to lose or people will remember you the next time you need help.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 16:16:36
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it just doesn't make sense I never had to do anything special id click on preset b say and make sure the loop button is on in drummer then id hit record and and it would start playing along with other tracks I had I could even switch it up I would press pattern a then switch to b back and forth and it would pickup the data. Something just doesn't add up.
When I had x1 I would load electric piano kit si bass whatever and it would record just fine. I don't understand why there sounds like its a bunch of steps creating special midi tracks etc.
How can you bounce something to a clip that's not there???
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 16:59:30
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It seems it's time for you to do the tutorials and study the manual to learn the basics about using soft synths. And about bouncing.
I simply can not understand what and how you've been doing this far, but it seems obvious you don't know the very basics.
In case we are just misunderstanding you:
What about explaining what you're doing without irrelevant babbling. Just describe what tracks you have, what are their inputs and outputs, which are MIDI, which are audio etc. What soft synths are used and how exactly are they inserted.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 20:47:16
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I think I get what jbl420 is saying, though I don't understand how it could have worked in X1. I would also have thought that you could play a 'performance' on say SD3 (play loops, hit pads, whatever) and record it while you're doing it. This seems sort of a natural thing to want to do. Play a virtual instrument instead of a real one while recording. But apparently, all Sonar is able to record midi-wise is midi coming from an external controller ? Why can't it record midi coming out of a synth ? What are jbl420 and I missing ? EDIT : I think I get it. There is no midi coming out of the synth. Only midi going in, right ? And there's no way to record the audio.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 21:06:13
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Why can't it record midi coming out of a synth ?
The problem is; is MIDI coming out of the synth or just sound? Hitting a drum picture say in BFD2 or SD3 doesn't mean MIDI is being generated. To me that is a preview. A keyboard that generates MIDI is recordable. This is the way its been done for a long time.
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/27 21:11:01
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Thanks John, it's hard to wrap my head around this but I think I'm starting to get it.
So midi's going in and you can record that along the way, and audio is coming out 'somewhere'.
Any way to record that audio without recording everything you-can-hear ?
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/28 02:40:55
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Paul P
Thanks John, it's hard to wrap my head around this but I think I'm starting to get it.
So midi's going in and you can record that along the way, and audio is coming out 'somewhere'. The audio is being heard via an audio track assigned to the soft synth - this is then known as an "Instrument Track". It is also possible to have a single track assigned to a soft synth that controls both the MIDI and Audio but hides much of the routing that exists between the usual two tracks (MIDI & Audio) - this is known as a "Simple Instrument Track".
Any way to record that audio without recording everything you-can-hear ?
Select the SIT or MIDI & Instrument Track and select "Bounce to Tracks". If you want more info on setting up and using MIDI based instruments/synths, I have a video on my youtube page HERE chuckebaby
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Re:Cannot record any vst but can hear what im playing
2013/03/28 03:30:20
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Paul P
Thanks John, it's hard to wrap my head around this but I think I'm starting to get it.
So midi's going in and you can record that along the way, and audio is coming out 'somewhere'.
Any way to record that audio without recording everything you-can-hear ?
Yes you can depending on your equipment. Sound Blasters had a "What You Hear" mode for recording. Most pro level audio cards don't. One can route audio to an input creating a loopback. This may require a patch cord. The audio can be captured under the right conditions. However there is no good reason to do that when you are recording the MIDI. MIDI will drive the synth at any time. The only reason to bounce to audio is for CPU off loading or mix down.
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