Can't change the instrument when using edirol

Hi. I thought I could figure out how to do what I wanted to after reading robomusic's tutorial, and I almost have it, but I have another question.

I read robomusic's tutorial on using soft synths, and also the instructions in the Music Creator manual playing MIDI tracks through a DXi and converting your DXi tracks to audio. I didn't have much luck with the tutorial actually, but I did have some with the manual's instructions so I'm gonna try and do it that way.

Right now on Track 1, a midi track with the song's melody, I have the Output set to 4-Edirol VSC 2. I also have an audio track titled "EDIROL VSC 2 Output 1", where the input is set as edirol vsc 2 output 1. I made this track by going to the insert menu and clicking on DXi Synth, and then Edirol VSC. I changed the Bank in Track 1 to 15488-GM2 Bank 0, and the Patch in Track 1 to Piano 1. My problem is that when I double click on the word edirol in the output, and it brings up the window where you can fiddle with the instruments playing in the track, by Part 1 it says "Synth Bass 1" and that is the instrument that track 1 plays in, despite the fact that it says Piano 1 in the patch field. When I select track 1 by clicking on the number 1 on the track's bar and then bring up Edirol's window and change Part 1 to Piano 1, and then play the track, it still plays in Synth Bass 1. :P I know it's likely I'm missing something really obvious, and I apologize for coming here with another question that I probobly should be able to figure out myself, but I've fiddled with it for a while with only intermittant results on getting the instrument to change. How do I get it to change to what I want it to be reliably?

Thanks for any replies.

Your problem is realy rather simple, changing the banks and patches has nothing to with Edirol, bank and patch changes are for using internal synth chips and things like that, Edirol is a softsynth program and it reads the data coming from the midi track and picks up the patch from there and automatically aets it, if you want to change it you must change it from with in Edirol, by looking at the individual channels in edirol, you will see the led moving with the sound going thru it, just click the drop down box and change instruments as you like.

Using soft synths

When using midi tracks in CAKEWALK or any sequencer, there are many way to reproduce the sound from the midi data. One can use an internal synth on the sound card, or inside XP there is Microsoft synth GS, or you can route thru a soft synth that you download or install, some are synths, some are samplers, others use sound fonts, each has unique capabilities that you can use to reproduce midi data into sound.

Cakewalk only uses DX type instruments as synths unless one installs a wrapper type program, these allow you to use VST instruments and effects, VST is a trademark that comes from cubase, and anyone who makes a program that uses VST technology must gain access to that from Cubase, Cakewalk uses DX technology that is from Microsoft development. So keep in mind that at first you need to obtain effects and instrument that are designed with DX technology.

In order to use soft synths to replay a midi file you will need to play them through an audio track, this will allow the midi to be routed through a soft synth and produce an audible output. Here is what you need to do, and for this tutorial we will use Edirol VSC (VSC stands for Virtual Sound Canvas) but for all intents and purposes, this will work with any DX instrument, and at the end I will post links to several that you can down load.

First let’s go to a midi download site and down load a file, then we will open it in CAKEWALK and process it. Go to this site http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/creed90952/index.htm?mtbrand=AOL_US

Go down the page and find the eagles best of my love file, we will use this as the example, right click the file and then click save as target, save this file in a folder you are familiar with, then a pop up box will appear, that with ask you to open , click cancel.

Now open CAKEWALK and go to file and then click open, the open box will allow you to find the folder that you saved the file in( the file name is bestlove.mid), then when you do double click it, it should open in MC. Now you will have a file that has 10 tracks of midi, there will be one track that say words on it, ignore it. Now under the last track that is named “Ride”, place your cursor and right click, a box will pop up go up and chose “insert audio track”, maximize that audio track by clicking the double box icon next to the MSR on the track, then right click the fx box and chose Dx Instruments, (or DX synths for some version) and click on Edirol VSC, Edirol will pop up close it for now, minimize the track again, and then maximize each midi track one at a time and left click each output box and chose Edirol VSC as the output, then minimize each until all of them have Edirol as the output device. Now hit play, and the file should play thru Edirol.

Okay let’s learn to change up the sounds in Edirol a bit, go to the audio track that has Edirol in it and maximize it again, double click on edirol and it should pop up into view. Each track has been assigned to an instrument, this is because Edirol acts like a GM/GS synth like the one on the sound card, but with a little bit better tones. At the bottom of Edirol is a button called setup, click that and a box will open, change the generator tones to GS from GM, and slide the polyphony bar to 128 and hit okay. and then move Edirol down just a bit hit play again Now notice that you can adjust the panning, volume, reverb, expression, delay and chorus so if you want adjust a couple of those as the song plays.

Now that is the basics, you can use any DX instrument to do this depending on it’s personal attributes, some only do one track, other do many. If you want more than one synth, then open more than one audio track to hold them. You might want edirol to do everything but the drums and guitar and use sampletank for those, then open two one for each.

To get more synths go here http://www.kvraudio.com/ go to the side and see a box that has the words instruments, effects, host, etc. and click that then go down to advanced search, in box 1. click on instruments, go down further and find 2. and click DX, then down to 3 and click only Windows, then to 4. and click only free, then down to search. There should be 5 on the list go to sampletank, sonic synth, synth 1 and triangleII download each of these and they will work with CAKEWALK be careful to follow the instructions for each carefully, this will take some time be patient, this will set you up for some great sounds.