Cant record using Delta 66

Hey!

Slightly off topic this one I guess but I don't know where else to turn to.

I recently reinstalled my computer since I had to change motherboard to a Asus P5Q-E. After this I can't record in Sonar 8 PE from INPUT 1 and 2 on the front of my Omni I/O add on to the Delta 66. I've tried using both Asio and WDM but still no luck. But there are som odd stuff here. For example, if I run the guitar tuning program AP-tuner and select Windows recordning control I get the following message:
There is a problem with your sound hardware. To install mixer devices, go to control panel, click printers and other hardware and then click add new hardware. And when I go to M-audios control panel and go to the "input" tab I get three inputs there. 1/2 in 3/4 in and spdif in. I cant do anything on this page except changing to +4db, con or -10db. Shouldn't there be other options as well?
I've tried to reinstall the driver of course.
Another weird thing is if I go to Sonars Audio Options and go to the drivers tab. The following are listed.

Delta 66 1/2
Delta 66 3/4
Delta 66 Monitor
Delta 66 Multi 1/2
Delta 66 Multi 3/4
Delta 66 Multi 5/6
Delta 66 Multi 7/8
Delta 66 SPDIF

Is this correct? Or are the Delta 66 1/2 and 3/4 some sort of duplicates with Delta 66 Multi 1/2 and 3/4?

I run Windows XP SP3
Sonar 8.02 PE
4GB Ram (not really under XP I guess)
Intel E8600 3,3Ghz
The latest M-audio Delta 66 driver I found on their website.

On the M-audio control panel I have turned up the volume to the max for the 1/2 input wich I'm currently trying to record from. And when a device to the 1/2 input the "signal"-lamp flashes when speaking in the microphone or playing the guitar so the Omni I/O is getting the signal. All other cables are connected as well. The soundcard works great when playing back audio. It's just when recording that I'm having problems.

Anyone got any ideas? I'm running out of them...

Many, many thanks in advance!
/M

Hey!

Thanks for the reply!

I've tried both Asio and Wdm but it's the same thing... All drivers are checked (except SPDIF but no different if selecting it)
Playback and Timing Master is Delta 66 1/2 on both of them.

I seem to have the same problem in every program I try recording from. It's not just Sonar. Something is wrong!

Thanks again for taking your time!

/M

ORIGINAL: metz

BTW, if I enter Sound and Audio Devices Properties in Control Panel. Sound playback is set to Delta 66 Multi and recording to Delta 66 1/2 (I might have changed that one, I think it said Delta 66 Multi from the beginning...) Using this control panel I'm able to set the volume for Sound playback but not for Sound recording. The Volume and advanced buttons are greyed out. Seems weird, huh?

I have no conflicts in device manager.

/M

There is your problem. Don't set the Delta as the Windows sound device. Use the computers built in card for that as a "decoy" so Windows doesn't try to use the Delta.

Sonar does NOT use any of those settings in Windows control panel. It uses the drivers directly and you select that inside Sonar options / audio.

Some more information for you who tries to help me.

In devicemanager under sound, video and game controllers I have the following listed

Audio Codecs
EDIROL PCR
Legacy Audio Drivers
Legacy Video Capture Devices
M-Audio Delta 66
Media Control Devices
Video Codecs

If I right click on Delta 66 and select properties and the properties tab I have the following
Audio Device
M-Audio Delta
MIDI Devices and Instruments
M-Audio-Delta
Mixer Devices
M-Audio Delta

Is something missing??

/M

I just changed PCI-slot. Same problem.. :( I'm starting to give up here. Noone recognize the problem?

/M

ORIGINAL: metz

Hey!

I don't use the integrated audiodevice on the motherboard. I've disabled it and that's the way I've been doing it for years but now it's not working. I don't think this is the problem. Or did I misunderstand you?

Thanks for the reply, every reply gives me hope! ;-)

/M

Yes I think you are misunderstanding. My point is that the settings in Windows (Device Manager, Control Panel, Sounds..) are NOT what Sonar uses. Programs like iTunes use those settings but Sonar does not even try to go looking for them. You have to tell Sonar exactly what drvier you want to use.

The problem comes in when Windows is also set to use that same driver. For example if Windows tries to make some sound those are 22k sample rate. That will cause the card to try to autoswitch sample rates and cause a glitch. So at least make sure Windows sounds are set to "no sounds". But other applications might try to use the Windows default sound device or lock the driver and that can cause problems also. That's why I suggest you NOT use the same card for Windows that you use for Sonar. It's OK to have more then one card active so you don't have to disable the built in sound card. In fact it makes a great decoy for Windows so it doesn't try to use your Delta. The Delta my not even be able to do some of the sample rates for Windows sounds or Web sounds so it's best to use the built in card for that.

Yes I think you are misunderstanding. My point is that the settings in Windows (Device Manager, Control Panel, Sounds..) are NOT what Sonar uses. Programs like iTunes use those settings but Sonar does not even try to go looking for them. You have to tell Sonar exactly what drvier you want to use.

The problem comes in when Windows is also set to use that same driver. For example if Windows tries to make some sound those are 22k sample rate. That will cause the card to try to autoswitch sample rates and cause a glitch. So at least make sure Windows sounds are set to "no sounds". But other applications might try to use the Windows default sound device or lock the driver and that can cause problems also. That's why I suggest you NOT use the same card for Windows that you use for Sonar. It's OK to have more then one card active so you don't have to disable the built in sound card. In fact it makes a great decoy for Windows so it doesn't try to use your Delta. The Delta my not even be able to do some of the sample rates for Windows sounds or Web sounds so it's best to use the built in card for that.

comes in when Windows is also set to use that same driver. For example if Windows tries to make some sound those are 22k sample rate. That will cause the card to try to autoswitch sample rates and cause a glitch. So at least make sure Windows sounds are set to "no sounds". But other applications might try to use the Windows default sound device or lock the driver and that can cause problems also. That's why I suggest you NOT use the same card for Windows that you use for Sonar. It's OK to have more then one card active so you don't have to disable the built in sound card. In fact it makes a great decoy for Windows so it doesn't try to use your Delta. The Delta my not even be able to do some of the sample rates for Windows sounds or Web sounds so it's best to use the built in card for that.

Hi again!

Ah, I understand you now, but I'm pretty sure it's not my problem. I always have my computers sounds set to the "no sound" soundsceme. Thanks anyway for your reply!! Much appriciated! I'm starting to give up here... :-( I'll concider activating my internal sounddevice in the future. THanks!

/M

Hey again!

Thanks for taking time helping me with this! I know I should use the Deltas tray application (it''s red btw). I just started the windows volume control to see if I can se any inputs there or anything of use. And when I select the record option in it nothing is there. Nothing gets listed. I find that very weird.

The AP-tuner program can operate at different rates. There's no problem there BUT it's like the computer can't find the hardware to use for recording. It finds the inputs sure but when it comes to recording it's like the m-audio delta 66 isn't installed. But it works perfectly for playback. Arrrgh, I'm tearing my hair over here!!! And again, thanks!

/M

I found another guy having the exact same problem on the M-audio forums. He posted his problem today just like me. Coincidence?! Could it be some patch from Microsoft that we've gotten through windows update that's messing with our setup?

/M

ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic
Yes. Thousands of people use your card.
Anyways forget about defining the card in windows for now and gwet it set up in sonar.
Uninstal and reinstalkl your drivers and then profile/ define it in sonar like this
M-Audio Audio Interface setup for Cakewalk software



Click Options | Audio | Advanced. Set your Driver Mode to ASIO. If you do not see Driver Mode, make sure the box next to “Always use mme interface” is NOT checked. Click OK and restart the program.

Next, Click Options | Audio:

On the Drivers tab:

Make sure your M-Audio card is selected under both inputs and outputs. If it appears grayed out, deselect all drivers, in both inputs and outputs, then select your M-Audio card. If changes are made, click OK and restart the program.

NOTE: M-Audio also provides very reliable WDM drivers. If you experience problems in ASIO Driver Mode, you may want to consider using WDM as an alternative.

On the general tab:

Make sure one of your M-Audio card drivers is selected as Playback Timing master. Click OK. Restart the program if prompted.

Finally, all audio playback will occur from the M-Audio device itself. Make sure you have your speakers or headphones connected to its outputs.

Hey!

Everything is configured like you describe. I more and more suspect that something has gone wrong during installation. The guy who has the exact same problem as I have also had reinstalled XP a couple of days ago. Thanks a lot for your reply!

/M

metz
here are the settings in windows control panel - sound and audio devices:

notice that the one with VOLUME is the same one as it is when you go thru the START>ACCESSORIES>ENTERTAINMENT - they go to the same settings - either way.













if all of your windows settings look like those, then I would say you may have a problem with the I/O box or the cable between the card and the I/O box or the card itself possibly. make sure the cable connection is secure on both ends.

BTW, could I ask you to do a couple of screendumps on your Delta control panel as well? If it's not to much trouble that is. If it is, no worries.

/M

Hey guys!

I took an old harddrive and totally reinstalled XP. Two times actually. I had one XP SP3 and one with SP2. After installation the only thing I installed was the chipsetdrivers for the motherboard and Delta 66 drivers. SAME THING!!! I guess it looks more and more like I have blown the inputs of my Delta card.. :-(

Beagle, I still would like those screendumps tonight. But yes, I think I'm f*cked...

/M

Hey again!

Thanks for the pics. Everything is just like it is at my place. I must have blown my inputs. :(

/M

Oh! I didn't even think of that!! Thanks a lot mate! I will check it out right away!

/M