Can't snap to grid while trimming clips?

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2011/06/14 03:16:27 (permalink)

Can't snap to grid while trimming clips?

Hello. (I've looked around but can't find the answer.)

I just installed X1b to see if that would fix it but it doesn't. I can turn on the snap to grid settings so that I can move clips by whole, 1/4th, 1/16th and so on, but when I try to trim the edge of a track, it is as if the snap-to-grid settings do not apply and can be freely cropped to anywhere in space. How can I turn the snap-to-grid settings for that so that I can make a clip easily copy/paste into a set of looped measures (or just to simply crop the edge at a particular interval) when I use trim?

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    lorneyb2
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    Re:Can't snap to grid while trimming clips? 2011/06/14 04:26:02 (permalink)
    If you go in to Preferences(P) - Customization - Snap and Nudge and set magnetic strength to Off it actually gives you the maximum magnetic strength.  Mode should be Move to.  I do not have an explanation for why off is maximum but that appears to be the case.  This has to be set for each project as well I believe.

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    Re:Can't snap to grid while trimming clips? 2011/06/14 12:48:30 (permalink)

    I do not have an explanation for why off is maximum but that appears to be the case.



    The explanation is that the concept of "magnetic strength" came along after the concept of snap-to-grid was already well established. Contrary to the presumption (admittedly intuitive) that magnetism is what causes objects to snap to the grid, magnetism is what allows you to place an object a little bit off the grid, and not have it snap back to it. The higher the magnetic strength, the larger the window around the grid lines becomes. So the idea is that if you don't want/need to be able to place objects off the grid, you should turn magnetism Off.

    The problem is that "magnetism just isn't a very good metaphor for how this works. Really they should have just had a "Window Size"  parameter. At 100%, the window would extend 50% of the grid interval to either side of each line, giving you normal snap behavior. Then you could have lower percentage settings where snap would only act within that smaller range around the gridline.

    Another factor that makes this behavior hard to understand and take advantage of is that the "windows" represented by the Low, Medium and High settings are all quite small, they do not vary with snap resolution, and they represent a constant amount of screen real-estate (i.e. pixels), which means the higher the zoom level, and the lower your grid resolution, the smaller the window becomes, musically.

    At maximum zoom in the PRV, the ±1/8" of screen real-estate (on my 22" monitor) with High magnetism represents only ±13 ticks. Even with snap at a relatively high resolution of 1/16, this gives an effective "window" size of only 26/240 = 10.8%. With snap at a Measure in 4/4, you're down to 26 / 3840 = 0.7%. And with magnetism on Low, the window is down to ±4 ticks, or 8/3840 = 0.2% of a measure!

    This is why it seems like snap does not work at high zoom levels with magnetism enabled. You have to be dragging pretty slowly to hit the tiny little magnetism window around the gridline, and not just drag right through it.





     
    post edited by brundlefly - 2011/06/14 12:51:03

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    Re:Can't snap to grid while trimming clips? 2011/06/14 15:37:17 (permalink)
    I turned it off but it still doesn't trim to the right intervals. The clip can move to the right intervals, but trim doesn't. It does trim in blocks but not snapping to actual 1/16th or whatever clean interval you set. 

    If I have a clip that goes a little beyond 79:01:000 but not to the next interval 79:01:240 and then trim back, it jumps before the 79:01:000 mark. The problem seems to be that it only goes 1/16th from the original end and not actually snapping to times on the grid but by times according to the end of the clip. For instance, if it ends at 1.00, you could move it to 1.25 and 0.75, but if it ends at 1.04, then it snaps to 0.79 and 1.29. Does that make sense? That shouldn't happen, should it?
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    Re:Can't snap to grid while trimming clips? 2011/06/14 16:16:19 (permalink)
    As Lorneyb2 mentioned, the snap mode should be Move To, not Move By. Right-click the grid icon next to to the snap interval in the Control Bar to change the mode.


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    Re:Can't snap to grid while trimming clips? 2011/06/14 16:28:10 (permalink)
    Holy flipping frick! It works!
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