Cathedral Belair Pt3

https://soundcloud.com/aaudiomystiks/catherdral-belair-pt3
I haven't posted in a while, here is pt 3 in a 3 part suite called Cathedral Belair.  Basically it's a piece of sonic art, no singing.  I've taken found sounds and put a couple in the granular synth to create the church organ.  I've also taken a fly sample and put it into the granular synth and used the Yourock guitar Midi Guitar Controller and played in a Gilmouresqe March of the Fly section.  Yep that is a real fly sample used as a synth sound sounding like an electronic fly.  Pretty cool if you ask me.  This is part of my Honours project.
 
Ben

Beagle
Hey Ben,
its' "Ben" a while!  lol
 
this is very typical Ben style stuff, IMO.  not fond of the cricket sounds all the way thru the piece.  then the oscillators thru the middle got a little tiring.  and the stereo effects with the oscillators later weren't really my thing, either.
 
mix is pretty good, nothing is too prominent or distant.
the end just dropped out into silence/noise.  is that what it was supposed to do?
very interesting and definitely unique - very much your signature!

Basically it's a sound painting so yes, it is suppose to do all the strange things you found annoying lol.  In particular the osc stereo panning, which is a representation of a fly buzzing around, so I guess it is suppose to be annoying lol.
 
Thanks for listening.
 
Ben 

I always find your stuff interesting. I was recently reminded of a style of music that you could easily adopt into your style which would give it more intensity. Minimalism, IMO, would make your stuff even better. Rather than focusing on keeping things in beat, purposely drift them and pull them back in the end.
 
That's just my subjective opinion though so you can omit if. You are definitely creative.
 
Well done!

Guitarpima
I always find your stuff interesting. I was recently reminded of a style of music that you could easily adopt into your style which would give it more intensity. Minimalism, IMO, would make your stuff even better. Rather than focusing on keeping things in beat, purposely drift them and pull them back in the end.
 
That's just my subjective opinion though so you can omit if. You are definitely creative.
 
Well done!

Yea minimalism is coming, if I get my PHD project up and running, I'm planning to do some field recordings in the graveyard and turn  these recordings into a minimalist piece. True Story
 
Thanks for listening.
 
Ben

Very nice idea.

I can definitely appreciate "experimental" as many of my tunes don't necessary fit a given mold.   
 
I thought this was pulled off pretty well.   Yeah, the white noise from beginning to end could us a little variation or modulation of its own along the way, and maybe more of a fade in/out in that short pre-outro section, but overall I think it gets the point across.
 

Thanks for listening guys.  It's funny everyone is commenting on the white noise, what it actually is a loop created in the loop tool, I've then placed the bi-filter over the top to help wash the digital artefacts created by the loop creator.  Because of the very nature of the composition, it is so much harder to control this sort of problem.  Because it is "sound" art or sonic art, which is the new term these days, we have to stop listening to this sort of stuff as "music", that's really hard.  I'm struggling with this concept.  And this idea of non-music goes against the progenitors of sonic art i.e. the classical avant garde: Russolo, Schaffer, Cage and Stockhausen because "sound is art, is music"  
 
I'm designing this stuff, which I have called impressionist sonic art with art galleries in mind, performed as a cut-up DJ set in 5.1.  So we shall see how it goes.
 
Ben

BenMMusTech
 
Basically it's a sound painting...

 
I like that concept.
 
I like it. Sounds like the sound track from something like Eraser Head or something.

Thanks as always for listening and commenting guys. 
 
Am working on something new as we speak, it's a sonic impressionist sonata.  I was up all night working on it, I think it closely adheres to sonata form, that is Main Theme, which actually has two main themes if you follow the Britannica encyclopaedia model, so the main theme starts in A Major and modulates to Em, this is followed by development, which modulates to F#minor, then C#minor.  Then recapitulation.  All this is going to be supported with a bed of found sounds.  I've also used Notion 3 for orchestral sounds.  The Yourock guitar is surprisingly great, wouldn't use it live at the moment but I've been using it with Dim Pro and even though it's obviously midi guitar there is something new about it. 
 
Ok back to work.  
 
Ben    

Thanks for listening AT, the white noise is a bi-product of this sort of sonic art.  Although I have figured a way to control it.  I've finally worked out the best way to use RMIX, although I'm sure it's not as good the more expensive audio restore software, it does work.  The other thing I have just discovered, actually yesterday is by combining multiple sonic snapshots (field recordings) one over the other, I can control the white noise more and bring out the sounds that I want to highlight.
 
Ben  

jamesg1213

BenMMusTech
  Because it is "sound" art or sonic art, which is the new term these days, we have to stop listening to this sort of stuff as "music", that's really hard.  I'm struggling with this concept. 

I can hear that you're struggling with it. To me, it's not experimental enough, and up to about 2:44, it was just dull really. I don't get the point of going to all the trouble of using 'found sounds' to recreate a church organ..who's going to know unless you explain that to them?
 
If you're trying to make 'non-music', using very simplistic 3 note musical phrases seems to be defeating the object - the ear naturally picks those out, and they quickly get very dull.
 
At 2:44 I thought, ''ah, this is getting interesting'', but then it just went back to hissing.

And I thought you were a Christian James? ;) um that's fine you have an opinion and I respect that. (I'm getting better, being ADHD combo with ASD or Asperger's I have a tendency to shoot from the hip and we need that in this world more than ever, sorry digressing)
 
Ok first of all, this is an experiment and an experiment in a long line of experiment's (I'm a scientific artist vs the artistic scientist and I hate artistic scientists), so don't judge a book by it's cover, James!  Everyone knows or should by now that I post all my experiments, I don't limit myself with this quaint notion of "music" anymore and I am getting better at expressing myself in this regard over 10 years in formal education will do that for you :) yep I am an trainee academic wanka, see I've even stoped giving myself titles I haven't earnt...yet!  
 
I don't think "music" really exists anymore not in the context that we use to understand it.  Sound is apart of a broader canvas that involves visuals and other forms these days.  And most of you will have to adapt to this new paradigm.  Now where is this wanka going with this tangent, as he always does, he does not stay on topic...I hear you.
 
The organ sound that you complained about James, and it's a valid criticism one that I have pondered and addressed within my exegesis as an epilogue, actually has harmonic content that you would not get with a VST or even a real one.  Because it's a sample and I have used this sample within a granular synthesizer, you get a highly unique sound that contains harmonies theoretically that compliment the found sounds, which have been used as the bed.  Well this is the theory I am working on.
 
As for your other criticism, I'm less inclined to agree because it's a form of minimalism and as an example Pink Floyd's Careful With That Axe Eugene uses two notes pretty much through the whole track, apart from the middle section, so we are looking at a binary form.  It's called avant garde or as George Harrison use to say avant garde a clue!!  The track is a ternary form, three main themes and each section is quite short.  All three sections form a sonic painting or an sonic impression of my walk through a national park on a particular day. 
 
One day I will get around to completing the vid for track, and this is where the tangent came from.  This sort of composition, which is "music as art" belongs in a gallery,  I'm designing the formula and context for this now, probably a form of DJ (audio/visual) cutup set with 5.1.  Music and sound is no longer new, exciting or really interesting that is live and reproduced.  Barry Truax, designer of acoustic ecology and propagator of the sound art movement has said this. 
 
Music is dead, popular neither exists or is relevant, so it's time to reinvent and revolutionise.  The venues where music once was played don't exist, this has a knock on effect.  Kids no longer have any interest in the old ways because they have not experienced the old way's.  We need to reengage kids with what they know i.e. music and video technology, guitars are dead esp acoustic ones.  Although there is a resurgence of folk type stuff, the troubadour is alive but if I have to hear another pretty boy singing songs of love, lost and found I will scream.  Go play for King Henry the 8th and have a drumstick thrown at your head lol.
 
Music needs innovation because it sustains technology and form.  Popular music which is closely aligned with western art music, which includes classical, jazz and modern, sustained over 500 years of music technology, which has had great knock on effects for society and culture in general.  Think Beethoven and the piano, without Beethoven wanting a different/better piano sound, the grand piano would not have come into existence.  We might still be playing the harpsichord.  This advance arguably lead to acoustic research and better concert halls and all the subsequent knock on effects.  And same with modern technology, the Nazis invented tape, the classical avant garde disseminated the technology, The Beatles propagated and popularized the technology to where it is ubiquitous across our society...knock on effects.
 
Today this symbiotic relationship is at a crossroads and possibly worse, almost extinct because we have stoped producing Beethoven's and The Beatles (ok I'm here, LOL ;) without innovators and pioneers things become stagnant.  So whilst your opinion of why? is valid James, it is born of ignorance, so unless your happy with troubadours and silly love songs, bands playing the same three chords and forms but nowhere to actually play and nobody listening, I shall go back to my work, which is designing the new from the old and the old from the new.  We are in a new age...the age of the digital composer and the digital artist because it is no longer viable to be a specialist, you need to be a multi-specialist.
 
Lecture over :)
 
Ben