Changing Tempo

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2008/05/19 19:26:26 (permalink)

Changing Tempo

Yes, I know how to change the tempo in a song, BUT, I want to try playing totally free-style, speeding up and slowing down. The problem is: how would I go back and add drums, etc? I don't want to add the drum beats with the mouse--spent too many futile hours doing that on other songs. I always play with the metronome or a drum beat cause I can't keep the time any other way. So my idea is that I should just play it straight (with a drum beat) and then go back and change the tempo in the tempo view. That would still hinder me a lot because there are some parts I just WANT to play fast, but I could TRY to keep it in tempo. Anyway, if you have any other ideas, I'm interested. Thanks.
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    aaronk
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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/19 19:52:29 (permalink)
    If your version of SONAR includes "audiosnap", that tool is specifically designed for what I think you're trying to do.
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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/19 19:53:10 (permalink)
    Get a real drummer. seriously. the only real way to play free without regard to strict tempo and then add drums later is to add a real drummer. as far as I know, anyway.

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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/19 19:54:14 (permalink)
    Thanks Aaron, I'll look for that.

    And yes, Reece, you've got a point. I've got a guy willing to do that for me on some songs, but it might be awhile.
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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/20 08:16:29 (permalink)
    Ah - and Aaron's suggestion is correct as well, but that's very tedious. maybe even more so than drawing drums by hand.

    I have successfully created decrescendos with drums in songs using the tempo map, but free play would be difficult to do.

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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/20 08:26:04 (permalink)
    I think I read somewhere that audio snap doesn't come with SHS6. Anyway, I decided to play it with the beat and I can change it in the tempo view later. (and btw, decrescendo means to play softer not slower.)
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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/20 10:36:50 (permalink)
    Another option is to record a click track by hand: literally with a microphone recording you hitting something percussive with a drum stick. Make it speed when you want and slow when you want. Then lay down your piano (etc.) according to that "intentionally not perfect" click. Then your drummer has at least the original click to lock to, albeit one that purposefully slows and speeds as you desired. HTH,

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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/20 11:52:27 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Mamabear

    I think I read somewhere that audio snap doesn't come with SHS6. Anyway, I decided to play it with the beat and I can change it in the tempo view later. (and btw, decrescendo means to play softer not slower.)

    no, it doesn't, sorry I wasn't clear. you have to use Sonar SE (as a minimum) or Sonar PE for that.

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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/20 12:15:10 (permalink)
    if you record the piano as midi data, and use a piano vst OR use the midi out to your digital piano. you can record 'on the beat' and draw in tempi changes after the fact, or i think there is the 'fit to improv' function in full sonar which may be suitable for what you want janet...

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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/20 12:21:27 (permalink)
    to clarify: Mark said "fit to improv" in FULL sonar; i.e. Sonar SE or Sonar PE.

    just thought of another way to do it - jamstix. I've never been fond of jamstix's "brain" myself and I always thought that the songs i've heard of those using it when it follows the audio (as opposed to when it follows midi) did not sound right at all. but that's an option you might want to pursue.

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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/20 16:05:03 (permalink)
    Ed--that would probably work, except that I have never planned a song that far ahead. Although this one got close! Anyway, it seems to have worked the way I did it and if I want to go back and slow it down or speed it up in some parts, I can use tempo view. It was sort of fun to check the metronome on the take I DID do totally free-style--it only varied by 5 bpm, but it sure varied! The drummer I referred to could probably handle it though--he tends to slow down and I tend to speed up. We had a blast playing together for a couple years! lol

    And Mark, yes that's what I ended up doing. I would never record myself playing live--just too many mistakes. I always use midi data so I can edit it. I LOVE this software for that feature!

    Reece--I don't think I'll go with jamstix either. There are too many other toys I'd rather buy first and I'm happy enough with SD2 for now. But thanks for the tip!
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    RE: Changing Tempo 2008/05/22 09:59:58 (permalink)
    I think the only solution is Audio Snap in Sonar 7.

    Then you could record without a click and then enable Audio-snap for the track and step through the song and tell Sonar where the 1 beat of each bar is or even each quarter if you want to be accurate. I use this method often and it works fine.

    Another option would be to record afterwards anohter track where you tap each quarter note along with your song. Then Audio Snap enable that track and let it find the measures automatically (This should work according to the book).

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