Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? -SOLVED

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2018/11/27 03:08:42 (permalink)

Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? -SOLVED

So, I will be doing a gig with grand piano and a Novation Impulse toggling between rhodes and organ. How do I efficiently, quickly, smoothly and simply change tracks without using a mouse or the touch screen on my laptop? (PC) .Rhodes is Scarbee 88 Classic and Organ is NI Komplete Control. (would prefer not to use automap). It's easy in Omnisphere or East West Play because they are multitimbral and you just change the midi channel on the controller. But NI or Komplete Kontrol isn't multitimbral so need to actually manually go from say Track 5 -Organ to Track 6 Rhodes in Sonar (two instances of Komplete Kontrol.)
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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/27 04:00:09 (permalink)
    I did sound for a Blues band and the keyboard player had what I thought was the perfect solution to only having 1 feed to the FOH available most times . 
    He had 2 stereo Volume pedals and could fade or swell etc both his piano and his Synth ( organ mostly ) sounds. 
    The outputs went to small mixer and split to his Keyboard amp and a Stereo / mono DI box. 
    He used a 88 key Roland piano and that was midi-ed to a Roland Dr Synth. 
    He had complete control of his dynamics and as a result I never had to touch his fader. 
     
    So thinking you could do this if your interface has 4 outputs. 
    Simply run these to 2 volume pedals and there you go. 1/2 for piano   3/4 for synths and organs. 
    Then that would feed a small mixer that had at least 2 stereo input channels. My Mackie Mix 8 would handle that. 
     

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/27 04:52:12 (permalink)
    with the zillion controllers on the Novation besides the drawbars (using the drawbars for organ), there is no way to just go up and down one track in Sonar? I am doing a lot of gigs by train (To Tokyo) so gear space is at a minimum. 

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/28 21:30:46 (permalink)
    Why don't you just run NI Kontakt in multi-timbral mode with the Scarbee EP assigned to a different track than the track running your organ in NI KOMPLETE KONTROL.  For example, assign the Scarbee to MIDI channel 2, and let your organ track default to MIDI channel 1.
     
    That way you could just switch the channel you are sending from the Novation controller. 
     
    For Sonar tracks with plugins that respond to any MIDI channel (Omni), you can selectively assign a MIDI channel in the track inspector.

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/28 22:02:16 (permalink)
    Since you're hosting these instruments on your laptop, have you considered a VST host designed specifically for live use? Cantabile is my favorite of these, and there is a free "lite" version you can try out.


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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/28 22:05:51 (permalink)
    Or you could MIDI remote control of your Sonar track faders in the console from your Novation faders.

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/29 09:06:50 (permalink)
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    Why don't you just run NI Kontakt in multi-timbral mode with the Scarbee EP assigned to a different track than the track running your organ in NI KOMPLETE KONTROL.  For example, assign the Scarbee to MIDI channel 2, and let your organ track default to MIDI channel 1.
     
    That way you could just switch the channel you are sending from the Novation controller. 
     
    For Sonar tracks with plugins that respond to any MIDI channel (Omni), you can selectively assign a MIDI channel in the track inspector.


    I'm not sure I have NI Kontakt Multi Timbral. The one they give you for free when you buy one of their instruments is just for the one instrument you purchased I thought.
     

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/29 17:20:13 (permalink)
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    Why don't you just run NI Kontakt in multi-timbral mode with the Scarbee EP assigned to a different track than the track running your organ in NI KOMPLETE KONTROL.  For example, assign the Scarbee to MIDI channel 2, and let your organ track default to MIDI channel 1.
     
    That way you could just switch the channel you are sending from the Novation controller. 
     
    For Sonar tracks with plugins that respond to any MIDI channel (Omni), you can selectively assign a MIDI channel in the track inspector.


    I'm not sure I have NI Kontakt Multi Timbral. The one they give you for free when you buy one of their instruments is just for the one instrument you purchased I thought.
     




    Kontakt 5 Player Free is multi-timbral, and I use it.  Your Scarbee should run in that, and I assume that is what you would have already installed. 
     
    You can run the NI Native Access installer utility https://www.native-instru...pecials/native-access/ to see what you already have installed.  The Scarbee Classic EP-88 product page says: "Requires KONTAKT 5.5.2 or the free KONTAKT 5 PLAYER version 5.5.2 or later."

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/30 00:00:16 (permalink)
    For any two (or more) MIDI/Instrument tracks, just enable input echo on all of them, set the Input of the MIDI tracks (or MIDI components of Instrument tracks) to different channels, and set forced output channel to whatever each synth wants (if necessary - usually a non-multitimbral synth will respond to any channel), and switch instruments by changing the output channel on your controller. Each track will pass only the channel that matches its Input setting.
     

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/11/30 00:54:55 (permalink)
    brundlefly
    For any two (or more) MIDI/Instrument tracks, just enable input echo on all of them, set the Input of the MIDI tracks (or MIDI components of Instrument tracks) to different channels, and set forced output channel to whatever each synth wants (if necessary - usually a non-multitimbral synth will respond to any channel), and switch instruments by changing the output channel on your controller. Each track will pass only the channel that matches its Input setting.
     




    Brundlefly's way is the best way using Sonar/Cakewalk along with any VSTi's in various combinations regardless of their channel requirements when your most convenient control is the channel setting at your keyboard.

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/12/04 08:24:07 (permalink)
    brundlefly
    For any two (or more) MIDI/Instrument tracks, just enable input echo on all of them, set the Input of the MIDI tracks (or MIDI components of Instrument tracks) to different channels, and set forced output channel to whatever each synth wants (if necessary - usually a non-multitimbral synth will respond to any channel), and switch instruments by changing the output channel on your controller. Each track will pass only the channel that matches its Input setting.
     


    not working for me. I know you guys are right but I am just not managing to get the right combination. So discouraging. Maybe I just don't understand the way you talk. I switched to use a Yamaha MX61 for a controller. 
    KK 1 is Rhodes with output to KK1
    KK2 is organ with output to KK2
    With this configuration if I move the cursor back and both I get the desired result -rhodes on KK1 and organ on KK2.
    I put both instances of Komplete Kontrol on Input echo on.
    Now when I play on any of the tracks I get organ and rhodes -makes sense. That's what it should do.
    Hence, you would think all I would need to do is change the MX input on KK2 to channel 2 on the organ channel and bam. 
    No bam. I get no sound from the organ.
    Using up hours of valuable practice time. 
      Next - to show you I am not a complete idiot, I then do the configuration same as above as I understood you said to do. I instead switch to my CLP 545 which at 68kilos I am not taking to the gig.
     Works like a charm.
    So, I must not be finding the MIDI OUT on the MX. I am changing the Basic Channel because that is all I can find. Assuming there may be a midi out somewhere.
    Michael digs deep into the manual -maybe. I really need to rehearse.
     
    Edit - so, changing the basic channel toggling from 1 to 2 does nothing. I chose part select on the dedicated 16 track buttons on the right and as you go from button to button the corresponding midi channel connects. Sigh. It's always nice to follow things till the end but I could not find that in the manual and in utility moving the channel up and down does nothing. O course you will probably not understand all this but _SOLVED>
     
     

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    Re: Changing Tracks Live (VST) Best Way? 2018/12/04 14:21:35 (permalink)
    Any MIDI controller should work with that solution.  I would opt for the one that makes it easiest to select MIDI channels from.

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