Ron Vogel
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Child of Life
While my wife was in the hospital recovering from our latest edition to the family I burned the midnight oil to get this recorded. This is my first rough draft. The vocals are just for reference, it's a scratch track. I will be adding a harmony at the bridge, and some backing vocals still. All in all it turned out pretty good for a simple arrangement. It sits at 14 tracks right now. And that's with 2 mics on the acoustic, 2 on the electrics. Let me know what you think so far! "Child of Life" http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=8006759&q=hi
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/22 21:25:38
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Wow--beautiful! Really love your vocals. That harmonica is just right. Love the drums. guitars...what else is there? Well, phooey...it's just all good. First rough draft, huh? Great job! And congrats on the new addition. :-) You might continue to burn the midnight oil for awhile...but not in the studio. :-(
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/22 21:29:39
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Pretty tasty Ron. Congrats on the new addition. Randy
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/22 22:00:10
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Congratulations Ron, sounds like a pretty song too.
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Ron Vogel
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/22 22:00:51
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In all fairness I should clarify what I mean by "first rough draft"! I wrote this around 89-90ish, and this is the 5th time (I think 5th) that I recorded it. However, this is the first time with this arrangement. I did a go on it in Sonar 2.5xl in 2003, and I used a peavey mixer into a soundblaster card to record it using a dr-660 for drums. It had like 5 vocal tracks plus 3 live female backers, lots of guitar work, etc. I just wanted to strip it down and have a nice tone and feel. I usually scream out the bridge/chorus, but I want to keep a laid back rock feel to it this time. I was really into Lenny Kravitz when I wrote this...so if you hear any similarites between this and "Rosemary" off of Let Love Rule...it's purely coincidental! BTW, that song and album are awesome!
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/22 22:30:34
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You've been busy...... congrats! Nice job on the tune....and the new family member.
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/22 23:12:14
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Ron, this is very nice - the vox are really great. Congratulations on the little one. I've got one that's 31 - she's still my little one. Great tune.
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/23 15:10:16
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Nice song. You need to tame the low end.
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/23 16:32:16
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Happy baby, Pops!! That is a wonderful time of life FOR THEM!! Seriously, congrats on the baby and the song. It is a very pretty arrangement. It is a very pretty song!
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Ron Vogel
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/23 18:12:13
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Paul Russell Nice song. You need to tame the low end. Yup, I am ceasing any more recording until that's done. The low-end is a huge challenge on this tune. I am doubling all the bass notes in midi, and plan on cutting lows out of the electric bass; replacing them with a synth so it's better controlled. I want a nice, fuzzy bass sound with a bit of room verb. Getting the warmth out of it without the bombastic peaks has been really tough.
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/23 22:37:09
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Congratulations on the birth of your daughter! Cool song. You've got a really good voice, man. The mix sounds good to me, even you claim it's a rough draft.
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Ron Vogel
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/23 23:46:40
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geeare1 Congratulations on the birth of your daughter! Cool song. You've got a really good voice, man. The mix sounds good to me, even you claim it's a rough draft. Thanks! It really is pretty rough. The mother-in-law was over today, so I spent the day (hiding in the studio) trying to get a balance between the bass and drums. It's better, but still not there. The bass line is pretty active, with a lot of nice runs. I really want to showcase it, but not make the mix mud. The midi thing didn't work like I wanted. So I just did the 3 root notes during the heavier parts. I may not keep it though, it interferes with the bass fills to a point.
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/24 00:05:46
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Nice tune! At least on my bedroom speakers, there's a bit of 'one note bass' going on I think, in the choruses anyway, though it's always hard to judge on these speakers. The emphasized bass frequencies don't seem to be complementing the guitars so well in the choruses, and there's some kind of resonant frequency showing up on most notes. A lot of it may not be the bass itself, I dunno. Might be just needing more complentary EQ between the guitars and bass, something I always struggle with.
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/24 14:41:53
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Hey Ron, Love the intro. Great mood setter. Vocs are great. Oh ya, a bit of harmonica for that extra summer feel. Arrangement is excellent and the mix sounds good in the cans. I know you'll figure out the low end. All the elements are there, just needs a tad of tweaking. Great job!
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/24 14:50:46
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Nice start!! Cool to write something "in the moment...". Great vibe to this. Can't wait to hear the final version. Now get back to changing those diapers!!!
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Ron Vogel
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/27 00:34:46
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droddey Nice tune! At least on my bedroom speakers, there's a bit of 'one note bass' going on I think, in the choruses anyway, though it's always hard to judge on these speakers. The emphasized bass frequencies don't seem to be complementing the guitars so well in the choruses, and there's some kind of resonant frequency showing up on most notes. A lot of it may not be the bass itself, I dunno. Might be just needing more complentary EQ between the guitars and bass, something I always struggle with. There was a lot going wrong with the bass...it was a challenge to fix too! I ended up following note to note a softsynth with a simliar sounding bass (although I just did the root notes in the heavier sections). I used a multiband compressor to pull back the bottom end of the original bass. I just uploaded a mix I think is almost there. I added a harmony part in the middle, and the backrounds. The vocals don't sit quite right yet, but they are pretty close. New mix in the link in the first post
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/27 18:50:41
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Well...never say never!!! I did some touch-ups today after I had my wife's sister check it out. Think I can put a fork in it...that is unless someone notices any minor easy mix fixes!
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/27 19:05:26
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Paul Russell Nice song. You need to tame the low end. +1 on taming the low end. +2 on the song being great.
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/29 17:42:09
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I don't know about taming the low end (on my K701 cams) ... it is easy on my ears (the way I personally like mixes to be) But this is my fav of yours to date. (I note your judicious use of tambourines)
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/29 18:38:05
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What a bloody awesome song..got such a late 60`s early 70`s vibe you couldn`t have named this tune any better than Child of Life.
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Ron Vogel
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/29 23:39:03
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alkie What a bloody awesome song..got such a late 60`s early 70`s vibe you couldn`t have named this tune any better than Child of Life. It actually used to have a working title of "Fly"...but there are like 10,000 songs named that! I did some minor tweaking to soften the trails on the lead in vox, but that's about it. I have something truly awesome going right now....I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I am doing a Beatles cover that I changed the arrangement on. It's one of those deals where it sounds WAY better than I envisioned it. So trying to stay true to the masters by not hacking this up I plan on putting in the hours to get it right! I can't wait to post it, but there are some key elements not in it yet.
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/30 01:41:03
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Hey, Great song and congrats on the new addition to the family! Joshua Melton
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/30 02:37:01
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Hi, Ron, Congratulations on both the new addition and the really great song! Nice playing, clean, full mix and dynamite vocals! The layered harmonies in the chorus are excellent and really put the icing on the cake! Bob
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/31 17:13:28
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Wow! Very impressed. The quality of the recording/mixing hit me first and made me realise that I've got a lot to learn. The acoustic guitar made me think of the Black Crowes for some reason, maybe 'Thorn in my Pride' It was a pleasure listening to this! If I do have a suggestion then maybe it would be in the last minute of the song. To add to the dynamics of the piece, have you thought about singing 'Child of Life' an octave higher in the outtro to give it that lift. Cheers for letting me listen to a great song Rod Could you tell us a bit more about the plugins/settings, processes, mic's etc that were used PLS?
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Ron Vogel
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Re:Child of Life
2009/08/31 22:14:56
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Rodar6 Wow! Very impressed. The quality of the recording/mixing hit me first and made me realise that I've got a lot to learn. The acoustic guitar made me think of the Black Crowes for some reason, maybe 'Thorn in my Pride' It was a pleasure listening to this! If I do have a suggestion then maybe it would be in the last minute of the song. To add to the dynamics of the piece, have you thought about singing 'Child of Life' an octave higher in the outtro to give it that lift. Cheers for letting me listen to a great song Rod Could you tell us a bit more about the plugins/settings, processes, mic's etc that were used PLS? Thanks for the kind words, but egads that would be a lot to go through! At least for vox.. On the main vox I did 3 tracks. The initial track, then I doubled it. I intended to just pull together the best parts of both, but ended up running the double at about a quarter of the volume just to fill it out. If there was a timing problem, I use the envelope tool (volume) on the secnd track. Like if held a note too lonng I just dropped the volume. If you listen to the doubled track alone it sounds pretty weird, but you can't hear it mixed together with the initial vocal. The main vox are pretty monotone, so I didn't use any compressors until it hit the bus, which helps the blend anyway. For that I used the vintage compressor plug. I used a mild verb plug (lexicon), then the sonitus delay synced to the tempo. The delay is mostly off, I used the envelope tool to control the delay mix, and automate it to trail the end of a passage. The third track just comes in at the bridge, and it harmonizes with me pushing the vocal harder. I'm using an AKG4000B into a Mackie sattelite (onyx pre). Everything else is done in digital. The backrounds were a bit harder. I did 3 tracks of different harmonies. I try not to sing too well on the backs, because frankly most backs are sung by the other players (and they don't sing too well in my experience). In other words, I guess using the kiss principle for back harmonies works for me. I then used a symphonic chiors vst and did 2 different types of settings as a fill (just the basic notes)...then mixed it way back. I tightened up the backs better now; it's funny how a minor tweak can completely change a sound. The acoustic sound is not really there for me on this track, it sounds a bit brittle. I don't think there is any more I can do to it though. I used the same AKG, and an SM57 at the 12th fret about 6 or more inches away from the strings. The problem I had is the dynamics of the picking part is much quieter, so when the strumming came in, it stuck out of the mix like a sore thumb. I had to throw a compressor on it, and even backed off a bunch it still squashes it quite a bit. It would have been better if I just made different tracks for the different parts. Anyway, each mic gets it's own track. I try to optimize the charachter of each track, then send them to their own bus. I used a mild chorus, then reverb. I may try that octave thing...but I have to finish the next tune first though before I can get back to it....well, hmmm...I am doing vocals tonight, maybe I'll just do it while it's set up?
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