Walt Collins
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[Chill] Causality
I've been working on this one for a few months now. I think it may be time to let it be done. Do you guys agree? https://soundcloud.com/arcanor/causality This is a Chill/Dance electronic piece, with some spoken word mixed in. The topic is philosophical. Here's what I wrote about it: The question as to whether or not we truly have Free Will is not as simple as it seems. Modern-day philosopher George Ortega explores this question in his long-running series of debates and discussions, on his two TV shows in New York. More info at his website - causalconsciousness.com/ Anyway, I'd be interested to know if it's done, or needs more home cookin'. ;) Your time and comments are always appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/14 13:13:52
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I've just hit Play Walt... So far so good... back in a min
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/14 13:19:25
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Nah Walt... Take it off the gas, I'll have it medium rare please Nice work by the way cheers andy
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/14 13:46:03
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Hey Walt, Its good man. I wouldnt invest too much more time into it, it gets the vibe across, it has a full spectrum and mixed and produced well, nothing sticks out badly. If you wanted what could be added, a brass horn swell here and there, with create more tension. But its not a necessary addition for me. Cian
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/15 12:29:43
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Nice piece Walt, though I do now question what is making me write this or that? ;)
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/15 14:38:14
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Lovely sounding mix Walt, your stuff always sounds so warm and full, yet crystal clear. Not my favourite piece of yours from a musical/thematic point of view, but its quality is undeniable.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/15 17:32:40
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Good stuff brutha! We'll have to start talking like hipster jazz cats if we start sounding like them! Hahaha! Nice piece.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/15 20:45:18
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Well done - very cool tune.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/16 00:21:07
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There isn't anyone I've heard in the downtempo genre that does it better than you, Walt. And there are lots trying. Mix is clear, and every hit of percussive ear candy is spot on the beat. A treat to listen to. cheers, -Tom
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/16 05:46:34
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Walt, I havn't heard many songs about the concept of free will, except for Rush's song of them same name, which I found banal and uninteresting, despite the frantic, high powered instrumental. (You can't hear most of the lyrics, anyway.) This is more of a spoken word number over a flowing rhythmic dance groove. It reminds me of Gil Scott Heron quite a bit, who was a rapper before we had that term. This track has a really cool jazz-flavored feel with lyrics that aren't preachy- and they fit (rhythmically) the instrumental well. The repetition (in time) with delay really works. Cool and interesting number. Cheers, Bert
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Walt Collins
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/16 07:17:07
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@synkrotron: thanks Andy! Medium rare comin' right up! :) @whack: thanks Cian for taking a listen. I'm not hearing the horns you suggested though. Any particular place you're thinking? I'm curious. :) @Wookiee: thanks John for listening. :) I think questioning things is healthy, as long as one doesn't get too preoccupied with it. @jamesg1213: thank you James for your thoughts. This one isn't as soft edged as some of my other stuff. Sorry it didn't work for you. @clintmartin: thanks Clint! My jazz guitar licks pale in comparison to yours, for sure. Plus, I don't know how to speak jazz cat. :) @MarkusClinus: thanks Mark! Great to hear from you. @emeraldsoul: thanks Tom, glad you liked it! And you're making me blush. ;) @Bert Guy: thanks Bert! Now I'll have to go listen to some Gil Scott Heron. "Interesting" is exactly what I was going for on this one. Glad you liked it!
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/16 15:18:46
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/16 19:42:12
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Cool stuff Bert. Interesting. :)
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/17 12:00:03
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Geeeesh...well if you weren't at those board game conventions maybe you would have gotten it finished sooner:) I love the whole concept of this Walt. I love this kind of mental debate too...so I liked it all the way around. Very well mixed. I love that jazz vibe!
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/17 17:03:12
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Good stuff, Walt. I'd leave it alone... it speaks for itself.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/17 17:20:57
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is there a new Shaft movie coming ? awesome bass line, you just see the guy standing there with his afro 70s haircut. taking 1 piece of the percussion and putting that mono in the center only, might add an 'analog,vintage' feel to is, not sure though. (just thought the percussion maybe better in less stereo sound). great stuff !
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Bob Oister
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/20 04:28:47
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Hi, Walt, Very cool, well written song with a clever concept and nicely textured instrumentation, that sounds almost like a smooth jazz and chill fusion! Really nice work on the arrangement, and you've got a clean, wide pro sounding mix that sounds perfect for the genre. Excellent production, Walt, great stuff, have a good one, buddy! Bob
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/20 20:37:14
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Great sounding mix of course. I really like the syncopation you have going on there with the bass. I think it is a superb interesting track the way it is but I think would greatly benefit from a soloing instrument here and there. Sax, trumpet, or guitar. Really interesting as is though.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/20 20:47:40
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Walt, Just loved the cookies and milk along with this fine jazzy improve piece. Although thought provoking to the mental confusion of a free will, might I allure you to another perspective of pre-destination, which can also be an alternate mental stimuli. That may require more than cookies and milk though!! Peace and Blessings, John
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/20 21:43:48
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I loved it. Sounds really good. Nice job all around. Think the keyboard solo is too wet (just a tad too far back IMO). No matter. Killer groove!
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/21 00:12:45
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What a trip! I don't even know what to say except I love this one, everything about it! Concept, mix, instruments and narration.
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Walt Collins
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/21 08:37:25
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@Starise: Thanks Tim! To be honest, I am not sure which side of the mental debate I agree with, but it's interesting to think about, philosophically. As for the music, thanks for your kind words. This started as a "subtractive production" exercise, trying to create a misleading rhythm in the intro, then revealing the bigger picture gradually. Afterwards, I decided to add the piano, which is what I think gives it the jazz vibe. I admit I'm not the best pianist, but I guess I found some chords and riffs that seemed to work with the "dancy" rhythm underneath. @philz: Thanks Phil! I appreciate your time and ears. :) @Wouter Schijns: Thanks for your creative imagery, always appreciated. :) The bass is actually played on my keyboard for this one (although I often play one of my electric basses). I just loved the sound I get from the Scarbee Rickenbacker Palm Mute intrument in Kontakt, and decided to go with it. @Bob Oister: Thanks Bob! I seem to go for "clever" when I can, and just hope I don't go too far in that direction. As for the main song vibe, "chill" is at the center of the dial these days, and this one has a sprinkling of "jazz" and "dance" to go with it. Glad you enjoyed it. :) @ohgrant: Appreciate your taking the time to listen Grant, and thanks for your comments! As for a solo instrument, there is a lead guitar track that plays for much of the first half of the song, and piano that solos for the 2nd half of the song. They're not as "in your face" as might be in a rock or pop tune, but something more up front or aggressive might change the vibe of the song too much. @theguitarplayer: Thanks John! Yeah, the philosophy stuff is a bit of a brain burner, but I'm hoping not to focus too much on the philosophical content, and just sort of acknowledge that there's something to think about if one desires to do so. As I mentioned to Tim above, I don't have any firm feelings on the subject myself, and am trying to stick to the music. :) In any case, I'm glad you enjoyed the improv! @Rimshot: Hey Jimmy, thanks. :) You may be right about the saturation on the piano (and maybe other things too). I'm thinking about making the mix a bit drier. Your ears are appreciated. @evadianepug: Thanks Warren! If someone had played this song for me 10 years ago and said it was going to be ME, I'd have laughed in their face. ;) I've been charting into some new musical territory in recent years. So far it's been a fun ride!
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/21 09:12:49
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Walt, Nice song, well mixed. Cool groove.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/23 11:57:09
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This is so awesome. Just the instrumental grooves alone would have been perfect, but i like the spoken bit choices. I've thought about doing something like this but haven't found vocal phrases that seemed a good fit. This is ideal. Well done!
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/26 08:37:38
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Great concept Walt. It's a testimony to the song that I feel like playing along and adding my own parts. If you felt like taking it further you could add more to the spoken debate, but that would just be adding more bits (see last sentence). I think it sounds great, mixed and played well, and is one of my favourites on this site at the moment.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/26 19:30:37
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Love it! P-Bass with a pick? Tell me about the drum loop. Did you make it? Very, very, cool. Great air and wide stereo. Would love to hear about the ingredients. Double thumbs up! It's done already! Thanks!
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/30 11:17:08
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The timer has dinged, this one is cooked to perfection....in my opinion. Yeah, I liked this and it had very cool jazzy vibe to it. I love when spoken word is synced in to music like this, very infectious. Great lyrics and very nice to listen to. Great job!
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/08/31 17:13:45
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@michaelhanson: Thanks Mike, glad you liked it. :) @cwestmont: Thanks CW. I searched around a bit on the Internet Archive, looking for public domain audio clips. I found the Free Will debate and listened for a few hours, and eventually picked out some short snippets, which I edited down and used in the song with some tempo-synched delay. @rebel007: Glad you got into the groove! But as for adding more spoken parts, I wanted to keep it relatively simple, and not too controversial along the way. @jmasno5: Thanks John. Sorry to say that this was one track that I actually did NOT play a physical bass on. The bass is this one: http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/guitar/scarbee-rickenbacker-bass/I just love the sound of it and decided to use it on this song. Besides that, I also used Arturia Spark for the main drum kit, Addictive Drums 2, Reaktor (Rhythmaker/Levvo), and NI Cuba for additional percussion, AAS Lounge Lizard and Scarbee Mark I electric pianos, Zero-G Epica (Dream Pad patch), Colossus (for some vocal "ooh" samples, which I chopped up considerably), and finally some Alicia's Keys (piano, obviously) for the solo bit at the end. The only actual physical instrument that I played was the guitar (on my Fender Strat, plugged into NI Guitar Rig 5). As far as the drum loops go, I started with a few different ones that I got from the Spark synth, but then I think I modified one or two of them in some small ways. @CreatingNoise: Thanks Tony, glad you liked it! It was definitely fun for me to make it.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/09/02 14:51:34
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Yeah, sounds finished to me! Great chill vibe happening, and the spoken word sounds made to order. About the only thing that stood out was that last little keyboard line poking through at the end.
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Re: [Chill] Causality
2015/09/02 17:39:58
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Walt Collins @jmasno5: Thanks John. Sorry to say that this was one track that I actually did NOT play a physical bass on. The bass is this one: http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/guitar/scarbee-rickenbacker-bass/ I just love the sound of it and decided to use it on this song. Besides that, I also used Arturia Spark for the main drum kit, Addictive Drums 2, Reaktor (Rhythmaker/Levvo), and NI Cuba for additional percussion, AAS Lounge Lizard and Scarbee Mark I electric pianos, Zero-G Epica (Dream Pad patch), Colossus (for some vocal "ooh" samples, which I chopped up considerably), and finally some Alicia's Keys (piano, obviously) for the solo bit at the end. The only actual physical instrument that I played was the guitar (on my Fender Strat, plugged into NI Guitar Rig 5). As far as the drum loops go, I started with a few different ones that I got from the Spark synth, but then I think I modified one or two of them in some small ways.
Well you put it all together and that is one cool piece of art. Yes, I own 6 basses but I almost bought the Scarbee Rick when it was on sale at NI. Maybe next time I will. Thanks.
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