batsbrew
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China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million BEIJING—China plans to merge nine cities from around the Pearl River delta to create a 16,000 square mile (4.1 million ha) urban metropolis with a population of around 42 million. The new "mega-city," which will cover a large part of China's manufacturing heartland about the size of Switzerland, will get infrastructure improvements, including schools, hospitals, and public transportation over the next six years. Together, the current cities account for nearly a tenth of the Chinese economy. The country believes that merging them will improve commerce and transportation in the region.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS? hm...... the economy of scale, will price almost everyone else in the world right out of competition.
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 12:41:04
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ummm..China already has approximately 64 million unoccupied homes already built...this whole chinese economy seems to be the very definition of a bubble.
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 12:45:45
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Does China export any products that are of quality? Serious question. I've just bought into the Wal-Mart/China trip without really knowing. Maybe....What is a Chinese brand name associated with "a quality product"?
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batsbrew
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 12:52:24
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hehe... walk around your house, for about an hour.. take random material items, a little of everything, and look at the country of origin. just a random sampling should do.....
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batsbrew
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 12:53:24
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the real issues: commerce, and transportation. do you have light rail in YOUR neighborhood?
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spacey
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 13:31:47
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batsbrew hehe... walk around your house, for about an hour.. take random material items, a little of everything, and look at the country of origin. just a random sampling should do..... hehe... You'd be surprised....I don't shop at Wal-Marts. I'll add that for you to assume I don't know where the things that I purchase are made is just wrong. Not everybody is a friggin idiot with their money. I'll speak up in defense of my wife too. We are people that are concerned about about American manufacturing and do more than ****. So no...I would not be surprised checking items in my house. That was done up front. And then to follow with " the real issue"....sorry I joined. Excuse please.
post edited by spacey - 2011/02/03 13:39:51
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 13:44:23
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This project would be about the size of 4 Los Angeles. Los Angeles County has 10 million people in roughly 4000 square miles. Pretty dang big alright. Randy
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 13:59:00
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country of origin has nothing to do with quality, Space. Guitars made there are giving us really good bang for the buck, for example. on the other hand, cars made in the US are not exactly reliable? the same with UK cars until all our auto industry was taken over by the Germans and Japanese... the issue for me is the working conditions some people in China have to work in...not to mention human rights....and no doubt any unfortunate locals living in farming villages will be liquidated to make way for this super-city.
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 14:03:20
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mgh country of origin has nothing to do with quality, Space. Guitars made there are giving us really good bang for the buck, for example. on the other hand, cars made in the US are not exactly reliable? the same with UK cars until all our auto industry was taken over by the Germans and Japanese... the issue for me is the working conditions some people in China have to work in...not to mention human rights....and no doubt any unfortunate locals living in farming villages will be liquidated to make way for this super-city. I didn't say it did. I asked a simple question. What product from China is associated with quality? What brand name? And do you really think that I would think where something is made determines quality? I'm out of this thread. Not mad...bewildered is accurate.
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 14:10:31
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ah ok, re-reading ur initial post that makes sense now. as i say, i think most guitar makers these days source their low-cost brands from China, the likes of Epiphone for example... and most electronics are also from there or Taiwan, such as Apple Macs....
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batsbrew
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 14:33:05
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wow spacey, you're a super touchy dude. very thin skinned.. i didn't mean a single bad thing by any of it......sorry you took it that way. i think it's good that you are a knowledgable consumer and buyer of goods... but a quick survey of america's list of imports versus exports will tell you the story of the masses. the real issue: it's in the story.... "The country believes that merging them will improve commerce and transportation in the region. " that is what the heart of the story is really about, and i was juxtaposing my thoughts about how america deals with these things (or rather, does NOT deal with) and the things that have to do with the enormous pollution problems they have there, burning fossil fuels...
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 14:58:55
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I think Spacey's point is valid. Hard to avoid buying some Chinese stuff related to electronics. Plastic products are mostly chinese made. If people start buying based on quality not price and spend a little extra that bubble that Jim mentioned could very much break. Probably take a long time. But that giant City would sure be one lousy place to be if it did. Let's face it. The bulk of China's manufacturing economy is not based on quality products. It's based on Chinese fender squiers, tools that break and happy meal toys. I'm sure there are some. My Grand Marquis was made in 1990. It's working on 300,000 miles. Moonroof never leaked. No engine repairs and it still gets about 26 mpg.
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spacey
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 15:09:02
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batsbrew wow spacey, you're a super touchy dude. very thin skinned.. i didn't mean a single bad thing by any of it......sorry you took it that way. i think it's good that you are a knowledgable consumer and buyer of goods... but a quick survey of america's list of imports versus exports will tell you the story of the masses. the real issue: it's in the story.... "The country believes that merging them will improve commerce and transportation in the region. "
that is what the heart of the story is really about, and i was juxtaposing my thoughts about how america deals with these things (or rather, does NOT deal with) and the things that have to do with the enormous pollution problems they have there, burning fossil fuels... See....there you go. I'm a real touchy dude because I respond to your unthoughtful remarks that border insulting. So be it. I know what you were posting. But I asked a question, a simple question and to this point of the thread nobody has attempted to address that. It had a direction but that road is washed out now. So since I'm a real touchy dude now....answer the damn question if you can. On the other hand maybe I'm just real touchy when I don't get an answer and have to listen to assumptions and BS from folks that won't take the time to read and comprehend a simple question. Now I have another question since I'm labeled. If I'm a real touchy dude because of the reasons I've mentioned, what do you call folks that respond to simple question as has been done here? You know I've worked for a world wide company for going on twenty years and cannot count the times I've set in meetings with folks from around the world....I'm amazed that that it is easier to do than ask a simple question and get an answer here. Sorry this happened. I've said what I feel and I feel enough or more than enough has been said.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 15:18:21
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"China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million BEIJING—China plans to merge nine cities from around the Pearl River delta to create a 16,000 square mile (4.1 million ha) urban metropolis with a population of around 42 million. The new "mega-city," which will cover a large part of China's manufacturing heartland about the size of Switzerland, will get infrastructure improvements, including schools, hospitals, and public transportation over the next six years. Together, the current cities account for nearly a tenth of the Chinese economy. The country believes that merging them will improve commerce and transportation in the region." This is going to make it a lot easier to sell all 42 million of those people Marlboros, Big Macs and Viagra. Is China able to feed itself? Or does it still depend on food from elsewhere?
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batsbrew
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 15:23:08
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unthoughtful remarks that border insulting. there's a perfect example of over-reacting. or, 'being touchy' see that's the whole point, i wasn't trying to be insulting, you only took it that way, because for some reason you are already of the mind to take things the wrong way. So since I'm a real touchy dude now....answer the damn question if you can so what exactly is the question? Does China export any products that are of quality? gosh, i don't honestly know, without doing some real research. i cannot say that they do not have high quality products in SOME field........ what i do know, is i see 'made in china' stamped on everything from ground source heat pumps to the little chips inside parts of my computer...... maybe somebody has a better answer than that. i know i've bought a lot of crappy stuff over the years, that ended up being from china. but, as they become the dominant economic model, and their ability to raise quality control grows, much like japan did thru the 70's into the 80's, i can imagine it will boil back down to economies of scale.
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batsbrew
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 15:24:40
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Is China able to feed itself? Or does it still depend on food from elsewhere? 'Soylent Green' comes to mind.
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 15:45:33
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Does China export any products that are of quality? I do not know of any. It was a simple question and in spacey's defense I think you guys were wrongly assuming that he was making a point or a statement because it followed bat's original. It was a simple question with no judgments as far as I read.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 16:14:59
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I think the issue about quality is that at some point every industrial country is capable of quality implementation... and most of the high quality product remains domestic because it is no longer price competitive in such a way that the cost of international shipping can be absorbed into a profit structure. So, we rarely see high quality products imported from discount labor markets... because that was never the mechanism that caused the business relationships to prosper in the first place. I was serious about the food question... for several decades China has exported product to keep itself supplied with food. I am sincerely curious to know if it has achieved self sufficiency in that regard. The reason I ask is that a city of 42 million people will become severely dependent on outsourced food... and food riots have kick started a lot of bad things. Personally I don't think I like the idea of 42million people living so close together... it's not in balance with the way nature works. best regards, mike
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 16:45:13
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I'm a big fan of Panasonic products, they are a Japanese owned corporation with their US headquarters in Secaucus NJ. I sold and serviced Panasonic copiers, typewriters, and fax machines back in the late 80's ~ mid 90's. imho they make the best copiers on the market. Not the cheapest by no stretch, but they run PM to PM and longer if you know how to reset the drum counters. ;) Our cordless phones in our house are dead so off we go to Best Buy to look at phones. They had a great deal on Panasonic. Got it home and read the manual and it said they were made in China. So even Japan is outsourcing to China now it's not just the US and I have no doubt I'll have these phones for at least 10 years. Every Panasonic/Technics product I ever bought lasted at least 10 years. All the pictures you see me post are from a Panasonic hybrid HD camera. Another excellent Japanese company was Teknika Electronics but they went out of business in the early 90's. They made TV's, Cash Registers, and other stuff I'm sure. And yes, I spelled it correctly, it's Teknika, not Technika.
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 17:28:51
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mike_mccue "China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million BEIJING—China plans to merge nine cities from around the Pearl River delta to create a 16,000 square mile (4.1 million ha) urban metropolis with a population of around 42 million. The new "mega-city," which will cover a large part of China's manufacturing heartland about the size of Switzerland, will get infrastructure improvements, including schools, hospitals, and public transportation over the next six years. Together, the current cities account for nearly a tenth of the Chinese economy. The country believes that merging them will improve commerce and transportation in the region." This is going to make it a lot easier to sell all 42 million of those people Marlboros, Big Macs and Viagra. Is China able to feed itself? Or does it still depend on food from elsewhere? The answer to that, Mike, is no. China is a HUGE importer of raw materials, energy and a variety of commodities. Much of the run up in agricultural commodities is due to Chinese and other emerging market demands (or that's the perception in those markets, anyway). Here's a link that quantifies some of it: http://www.commodityonline.com/news/2010-Riproaring-commodities-year-for-China-35037-3-1.html
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 17:34:45
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jamesyoyo ummm..China already has approximately 64 million unoccupied homes already built...this whole chinese economy seems to be the very definition of a bubble. 64 Million homes unoccupied?? That's something I didn't know about China. James, I'm curious: do you have a link to an article or something for that? Thanks.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 17:41:36
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batsbrew
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 17:47:25
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heheh these things change as fast as they spit em out, don't they? original report: http://www.telegraph.co.u...42-million-people.html now this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...52043#mwpphu-container China denies plan to create world's biggest city BEIJING (AFP) – Authorities in southern China's Guangdong province have denied planning to unite nine towns to create the world's biggest city in the Pearl River delta, according to state media. "The reports were totally false. There is no such plan," Guo Yuewen, spokesman for the Communist party's provincial committee, was quoted as saying by the official China Daily on Saturday. Media had reported on a project to unite nine urban areas -- including both Guangzhou and Shenzhen -- into a megalopolis with a population of 42 million, according to the China Daily. The Pearl River delta was one of the first Chinese regions to open up to foreign business in the 1980s and is now among its richest, a giant manufacturing hub that produces around 10 percent of the country's GDP. THE STORY WAS MADE IN CHINA. LOL
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batsbrew
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/03 17:50:01
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It was a simple question and in spacey's defense I think you guys were wrongly assuming that he was making a point or a statement because it followed bat's original. I didn't assume a thing. i simply caught the flack.
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/04 03:54:26
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Does China export any products that are of quality? I do not know of any. Actually yes and in a big way. China exports aluminum extrusions that are superior to the U.S. domestic extrusion in every way. Finish quality, tolerance, packaging and price as well as variety. China also exports glass and mirror that is incomparably better than anything in the western hemisphere let alone the U.S. .............both raw and finished. The U.S. was knocked out of the Extrusion market by China about 8 years ago. The only reason the U.S. produce's much of any extrusion now is because of protectionism within our government. Giving in to strong union and political pressure.............In Sept 2010 the U.S. began tariffing import extrusions as much as 138%. They argued that China played currencies games to gain an economic edge...... Which may or may not be true.......... However there was also evidence of price gouging and collusion within the U.S. which only helped usher many of the U.S. shower enclosure companies to import metal. On the glass side............. Guardian Industries in Reedly,CA is the big domestic producer of glass and mirror. They are infamous within the industry of manufacturing garbage............ On a personal note I recently purchased 3 / 4000 lb cases of 4mm mirror with pp longs ................... These cases are almost unusable and I am now in negotiations with my distributor on what the charge backs and credits are gonna be. The domestic glass is so poor many of the small shops will pay the extra import duty because it's a wash on the loss management side. So anyways................China does export something of quality.
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Re:China Plans to Create 'Mega-City' of 42 Million
2011/02/04 06:56:57
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spacey Does China export any products that are of quality? Serious question. I've just bought into the Wal-Mart/China trip without really knowing. Maybe....What is a Chinese brand name associated with "a quality product"? Tommy Bahama silk shirts.
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