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2013/07/10 15:53:09 (permalink)

Choices

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a tune that feels like modern and classic all at once.

Acoustic guitar, Electric guitar blend.
3 part vocal harmony.
rocking live drums.
 
i'm thinking the electric guitar (rhythm) part is a bit too heavy in the 750-1000hz range.
i'm ok with everything else...

do you like it as is, or would you eq a bit of the high mid out of the guitars?
this is a mastered, final mix that i may re-mix as a re-release effort on a previous album.

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    theguitarplayer
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/10 21:03:00 (permalink)
     
    The first 13-14 seconds of this almost blew my ear drum out on my first listen. On my second listen it didn't seem to be so loud, that might be because I listened to the whole song first and was ear deaf. Great sound though on this one. You might just want to equal out those first few seconds until the other instrumentation kicks in for a bit smoother entrance of the piece. The rest sounds good to me and nice work on the mix.
     
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/10 21:54:30 (permalink)
    I like the electric guitars the way you have them.  Nothing is sticking out to me and they sound really good.  However, you must be hearing something and maybe the song would fit better with the rest of the songs on the re-release if the guitars were eq'd differently?  If anything, I'd like to hear a little more drums.
     
    Great song by the way.
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/11 08:06:19 (permalink)
    I think I remember this song.
     
    It sounds great today.
     
    The drums sound real nice.
     
    I don't think I'd change a thing.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
    best regards,
    mike
     


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    Re: Choices 2013/07/11 16:03:25 (permalink)
    Took me back to nights at the local collage and live bands.
     
    Sounds good through these fur cover ears Gonzo.
     
    Thanks for sharing another moment of your talents
     
    Having read other comments I like the jangle on the opening guitar gave me a nice little poke awake to ensure I paid attention.
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/11 16:23:02 (permalink)
    A lot of your music gives me a Yes vibe, (a good thing) I think because of the time signatures and for example the way you mixed in the acoustic parts and the vocals in places as well. The whole thing seemed very original and well performed.

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/11 20:14:42 (permalink)
    Man, this is killer. I like this just the way it is. Great mix. Love the little interlude around 2:35 with the toms and the guitars, and then bustin into that funky time signature. Awesome! I don't think you need to change anything.
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/11 22:44:12 (permalink)
    I thought the interlude was a slightly random sounding. Sometimes that happens when you change direction too much in a song though. The mix sounded fine, the tone was fine too. It sounded a bit like a 1980s hair band tune at times. I'm not saying that to be negative but it's the impression I had. It seems to be put together well though.
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/12 09:18:58 (permalink)
    hi batsbrew great mix to me sounds fantastic on my system love your stuff thanks eric
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/12 11:23:09 (permalink)
    the guitar player
    heheh, yep, i wanted to get someone's attention right off the bat
    hence the ride on the opening riff
    i WANT the intro to be louder...
    and was not looking for a smooth transition. i actually wanted it to be ruder than it is,
    but i vacillated on what was too much and just enough.....
    thanks for listening john, glad you liked it, i think i can mix it better.... this was done on a roland VS1880, and was pretty much a 'faders up' kind of mix.
    now with automation and mutliple busses, i think i can tweak more out of it.


    guitartrek
    more drums, check,
    yep, i feel the same way..
    they really kick, and i need to bring them out more....
    see comment above..
    i think i can get a lot more out of the transients with some well placed compression, that i did not have available when i mixed this originally.

    thanks for listening!


    mike mccue
    thanks mike, appreciate the comments.
      
     
    wookie
    you should get the ear fur trimmed, eh?
    LOL
    jangle on guitar, check.
    sometimes i think it's just MY ears that are sensitive to certain frequencies, probably from years of playing too loud.
    hehe

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/12 13:18:13 (permalink)
    Nice.  I see what you mean by classic and mod.  I esp. liked how the lead sections built up to the electric guitar.  Nice touch.  I'm with Mike, I dont' know what you could do that would make it sound better.  As likely to do damage as improve anything.
     


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    Re: Choices 2013/07/12 14:50:09 (permalink)
    Bat,
     
    Your stuff always sounds top notch, no exception here.   The acoustic interlude is really cool.  
     
    Interesting that you say, "pretty much a 'faders up' kind of mix."   I am trying to do more of that kind of recording so there is less tweaking required.   At least for me, I find the more I tweak the more I break;)  Then I go back to the original and realize that it didn't need that much treatment and all I did was degrade what was there.   Your mixes always sound really good.
     
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/12 15:20:28 (permalink)
    On cheapo ear buds my ears didn't bleed.
     
    This IMHO is one of your better tunes bats.
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/13 02:36:27 (permalink)
    Hey, Rob,
     
    Great song with cool vintage vibe and excellent playing and vocals, as usual!
     
    I like how the acoustic break pulls down for contrast before things kicked back in at the end.  The mix sounds really nice, but I think I might agree with Geno about maybe giving the drums a little bump to showcase them a bit.
     
    Dynamite work, as always, brother Bat!
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/13 12:03:08 (permalink)
    Bats, nice job here man.   I hear what your are fighting with on the electric guitar... At times it seems as though the upper-mids of it are stepping over the vocal a bit.  Maybe a 1-2 db dip in there would do the trick. 

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/13 22:01:40 (permalink)
    You really capture that vintage '70's sound.  This number does have a bit of a Yes feel to it.  Terrific playing, vocals, and to me the mix sounds good.
    Nice one!!
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/14 19:53:10 (permalink)
    Everything sonically fits perfect on this laptop. The cymbals are exceptionally pristine.
    Great talent and execution.
    Didn't care much for most of the power chord guitar bed though. It's probably not "wrong", maybe an eq thing as it is in your face pretty heavy. That's all just nitpicky drivel as your stuff is always great and this is no exception. Just not my cuppa.

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/15 11:44:57 (permalink)
    the band19
    thanks for commenting, i hear the 'yes' thing often enough to lend it creedence....
    heheh, i don't hear it, but i guess it's got as much to do with the pitch of my voice compared to jon andersons? as it does with the actual music sounding similar or not..
    i dont' know, still trying to figure it out, but it's cool, cuz i like yes, and could never sit down and learn any of the guitar parts....
    maybe SOME of the vox, but even that would be a stretch!~
     
     

    leadfoot
    great man, i'm glad you dig it....
    i just thought 'too many typical solos', that the acoustic breakdown with the vocals on top would work as the solo, with the drums doing the heavy lifting!
    LOL


    pistolpete
    thanks for listening and commenting..

    well, the interlude is supposed to represent 'a moment to pause and reflect' about 'choice made'....
    the idea is, it's easy to just plunge headlong into life decisions, but sometimes you gotta back off.
    and think about it.
    a lot of times i've failed to do that..
    the music is representative of the idea of 'trying' to back off..
     
    the hair band thing, i just don't hear at all.
    (please if you would, point me to an example of what you are describing...)
    when i think of hair metal, i think of lots of reverb..... JCM marshalls with face melting distortion and fizz.... lots of treble attack on the drums, with even more reverb.... triple tracked lead vocals with a thousand backups, and more reverb....... LOL
    that kind of thing.

    not too many hair bands did acoustic breakdowns and feature jazzy drum riffing instead of a standard guitar solo section...


    eric paul
    thanks man, good to know it's translating......


    AT
    damaging, yes, i know that perspective too!
    LOL
    i often will save a mix, and then 'saveas' to a new file, to mess and damage with...
    but i do know that, at the time of this mix, i had a very simple setup, as far as mixing goes...
    and i know a lot more now, than i did then, i think i could make the drums shine quite a bit more, and get the guitars sitting right where i really wanted them to be....
    so, i dont' know, maybe it's not worth the time, but i always look at these things as learning experiences anyway..... so it's cool.
    thanks for listening!

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/16 14:28:57 (permalink)
    another outstanding production... a little loud, and intense for my taste... but very impressive...
    Great work Bats...
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/18 18:14:55 (permalink)
    markno999
    thanks man, for listening and commenting...
    well, i like to dial in certain mixes, and this would be one of them.
    but some mixes i like to be more raw..
    i guess at this point, i know i can get a better drum mix, and just knowing that makes me want to try it.
    the guitars, i can get them smoother too....
    so, i don't know, i think the more you work on something, the better you get, so i would not back off of experimenting with mixes if you are moving forward.

    bapu
    thanks, good to know the ear buds translate.
    thanks for listening...


    bob oister
    thanks bob!
    the acoustics, i always think about bands like Boston driving a hard drum and bass groove with an acoustic guitar riff..
    then blending in electrics.
    it's easy to arrange a song for dynamics, doing nothing but having acoustic sections.
    kind of a cheap thrill.
    LOL
    but it works, and it gives the listeners' ears and brain a rest.....


    ChuckC
    appreciate the comments..
    i hear 2k a lot, in the guitars, and even tho that's the frequency that gives it the most clarity, it's also an important vocal range, and even hard panning, still does not solve a certain level of masking and buildup...
    more reason to experiment with further mixes!
     

    freddy J
    thanks freddy...
    i wished i knew exactly what is, that gives a 'vintage' or classic rock sound, because i'm using all modern gear, and modern techniques, but i guess maybe the way i eq and compress certain things just fall under that category..
    it's not intentional, it's just the way i hear things.
    i would not know how to duplicate it on purpose!!
    LOL
     

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/19 14:00:49 (permalink)
    TIMIDI
    glad you like the cymbal mix, that's always tricky...
    i know that the engineer that recorded the drums used some 'less than stellar' mics, and so i'm at mercy of the sonics of those overheads, can't do much about them....
    power chords
    heheh
    that's rock and roll, baby.
    it IS in your face, that's really in line with the lyric.
    the lyric rules, everything else has to fall in line behind it.
    and the lyric is very in your face.
    thanks for listening and commenting....

    Notnat
    thanks man... i appreciate the comment, even if it's not your typical choice of style

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/20 12:11:28 (permalink)
    Bat - sorry I am late for the party.  I have always admired your music and this one is my favorite.  The guitars and vocals knock me out.  The whole production sounds great to me.  Love your playing and vibe.  Once little comment - and it doesn't matter at all is that the snare could use more width to me.  It is really compressed and tight.  No biggie.  Your work is so good to listen to.
     
    Super job.
     
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/22 15:19:52 (permalink)
    RIMSHOT
    thanks a lot for checking this one out...
    glad you liked this one in particular...
    snare - more width, check.
     
    since i mixed this originally on a roland vs, i didn't have much power to separate the snare out like i can now...
     
    someone else recorded the drums for me, so i'm a bit limited with the tracks i have....
    but i think i can mix drums a lot better now, than i could then, so i'll work on the snare for sure.
     
     

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/22 21:32:39 (permalink)
    Keep up the great work.  I always enjoy your music no matter what you are doing.  
    All the best.
     
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/22 21:45:58 (permalink)
    Totally pro production, ol pal. Great work!!

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    Re: Choices 2013/07/23 14:01:36 (permalink)
    batsbrew
    thanks man... i appreciate the comment, even if it's not your typical choice of style

    anyhow... I still think it's knocked out...  I wish I could do it...
     
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/24 20:31:08 (permalink)
    yorolpal
     
    thanks for the kudos man, i appreciate it!
     
     
     
    notnat
    you do do it.
     
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    Re: Choices 2013/07/24 21:15:17 (permalink)
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    notnat
    you do do it. 
    LOL

    (grin ;-) reminds me of that classic quote from Young Frankenstein..." Excuse me darling, what is it exactly that you do do?"
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