Choir, preach to me!

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2012/02/06 11:28:23 (permalink)

Choir, preach to me!



 Hi guys, 

 Just want to hear from some of you v-100 owners really…

Basically, I've been thinking about wether to pick up a v-studio 100 or not and still cant decide. (but read below)


 I already have X1 and a full PC DAW, not to mention a BCF2000 control surface. But I would like something a little portable or something to get ideas down onto. 

I usually only record one track at a time, or sometimes 2 via a stereo mic set up for acoustic guitar. I normally do this via my Presonus Firebox and mics going into my PC DAW. 

To get down ideas, I use an acoustic and a Zoom H2 recorder. I then usually start from fresh in X1 when I am ready to record/realise the idea proper. 

My DAW sits down in my front room and often in the evenings, the missus is watching telly or something and I wish I could take my set-up and record somewhere else. 

I thought the v 100 sounded perfect but then I discovered the limitations of the WAV recorder in regards to multitracking. 


 Then today I saw the v-studio 100 on Digital Village in the B-Stock for £224…. and pulled the trigger. Not sure why only that it seemed like a steal at that price. 


 Can someone at least tell me that the pre-s are better than my firebox, or that I have bought a great unit at a great price that will be useful to make my wallet feel better. 

 Also, I already have X1 and will not need the software, can I sell it as I haven't registered? 


Would like to hear any thoughts/praises/complaints regarding this little unit. 

 Cheers, 

Silver. 

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    M@ B
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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/06 12:53:27 (permalink)
    Hello Silverfox, I don't believe we've ever met. I don't know anything about the firebox's pre, so I can't compare them. The pre's on the vs100 are pretty good though, I've yet to read a complaint about them and have none of my own. The audio in general is quite good as are the current drivers. ------------------------ As far as portable recording power and flexibility as a stand alone, you already know it has quite a few limitations, many of which could be resolved with the addition of a laptop with DAW software, though it would no longer be a stand alone at that point. Hope that helps.

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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/06 22:49:03 (permalink)
    Mic pre's are really good, but I am not sure how they compare to the Firebox. I have a hunch that would be a sideways move.

    The standalone sounds great, and you can actually get parts down that can be transferred/used in a final product. I'm not sure you can do that with the Zoom. However - it is not as portable as the Zoom, so that would be the trade off.

    Transport is seamless, and very good!
    Converters are very good!
    ACT section lacks too many knobs to make it worthwhile - in my opinion.

    For me the handiest "hidden" feature of the VS-100 is the double footswitch capability. Being a guitar player, I used to love having a footswitch for punch in's on the older porta-studios. With DAWS, punching become easier and Auto Punch is great - but it takes time to set all that up. Having a footswitch is still my favorite option. The unit does not come with a footswitch, but I just made one with Radio Shack parts for about $10. I have a black button for Start/Stop, and a Red Button for Record On/Off. 

    Another bonus is the ability to automate BUS tracks from the VS. With other controllers and even within Sonar there is no way to move the WAI (Where Am I) to the bus section (for the life of me, I cannot figure out why Sonar itself does not allow this). However - with the VS-100 you can hold SHIFT and TRACK < or > to move the WAI to the Bus. From there you can use the fader, pan, etc.... to automate the bus section if you want.

    And on a final note - the VS-100 works well with other DAW's (I use it with Studio One quite a bit) with 2 other working modes available (Mackie Universal being the big one). It is not a "Cakewalk/Sonar Only" device (other than the 4 little ACT knobs)!

    Don't feel bad about your decision! It's great unit, and I'm sure you will find a home for it in your setup.
     
    EDIT TO ADD: You can probably sell your copy of Sonar VS since you have not registered it, but you won't get much for it. It is a really dumbed down version of Sonar 8.5, even though it looks a little more like X1.
    post edited by codamedia - 2012/02/06 22:53:44

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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/08 10:48:56 (permalink)
    Thanks M@ B and Codamedia, 

     Exactly the kind of feedback I was after...I'll check the footswitch, as I do have one (only one way though).

      I was hoping for some more success stories/creative ways of using this little box ... still time guys ;)

    Also Codamedia, I have an old Mac Powerbook 4 that I am planing to use maybe something like Reaper, so I will try the vs 100 with that. Thanks. If I didn't have the BCF2000 then keeping this unit would be a no-brainer. 

    Mine arrived today. Aesthetically it looks beautiful, and solid. I'm going to give it some time and see how I get on. I can always return it. 

     I'll let you all know how I get on. 


    ...It's very quiet in here isn't it? 

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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/08 14:12:37 (permalink)
    ...It's very quiet in here isn't it?

     
    Yes it is! That can be taken two ways.
     
    1: Nobody has problems with the VS-100 so they simply don't come looking for answers.
    or
    2: Nobody owns/uses the VS-100
     
    That's a good idea with the VS software.
    I put my copy on a Netbook (yes - a netbook) and it ran great as a basic DAW.

    Don't fix it in the mix ... Fix it in the take! 
     

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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/08 16:08:21 (permalink)
    Pretty small choir... Alright Coda, I'll take the high parts, you take the low parts. Unless, of course, you want the high parts, then I'll take the low parts :-)

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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/08 16:52:07 (permalink)
    Hi !
     
    Thought I would chip in....I have been using the VS for a while now and its proving quite good, I now ( eventually) have it linked to my Yamaha 01V and it all works fine, I also took ages to discover how to control the Bus !
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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/08 20:37:15 (permalink)
    I just bought one last night; will get it in 4 LONG shipping days. Soon we'll have quorum here.  

    I wanted to give a special kudos to Codamedia for staying on top of this forum and providing such good help and advice.  M@B too-- you guys are the kind of people that I love to see in the web wasteland.  Looking forward to getting my VS, and asking/ answering questions of my own!  Also hoping the VS101 doesn't get announced tomorrow. 
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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/10 05:15:10 (permalink)

    So, Had a chance to play with the new puppy last night. 

    First impressions:

    Nice unit - aesthetically 
    Sturdy
    Feels solid in the hand, controls feel good

    Using the WAV recorder, didn't find the functionality very intuitive. I'm pretty computer/gadget savvy but trying to work out the functions and buttons without the manual was not as straightforward as I would have thought. No biggie. After a brief look at the manual all was good. 

    I was using an unusual test mic (from work) for recording. 

    AKG C747 http://www.akg.com/site/p...id,2,_language,EN.html

    I get the impression that this mic needs alot of juice, as I had to put the gain up quite high on the vs-100. 

    But saying that, the unit appears to be quiet. Looking forward to trying my CAD M179, AT 3035 and others

    I've got to say (and even I am surprised to confirm this), the reverb sounds really good? I'm hoping the verb can be printed? 
    I am a person that always struggles to get the reverb right to my ears in a mix, but I really liked what I heard with the 'room' setting. 

    The compression I found a little strange to get working correctly, will spend some more time with this. As others have said, not have a gain reduction meter is a shame. 

    The EQ was certainly usable too. Only briefly tested. 

    Hooking up to Laptop: 

    I was using an old Powerbook Mac (PowerPC CPU) and got all drivers installed and upgraded firmware of unit. 

    I only have Reaper on that Laptop (not much else works) and I managed to get the vs-100 set up as a control surface and Audio unit with little fuss. 

    The control surface aspect worked ok-ish under Mackie mode. Basically the transport buttons worked, the fader and limited other buttons. trying to switch tracks with the 'Track' select buttons on the vs-100 wasn't working which perplexed me but after changing the control surface mode from 'Sonar' to 'Other' in the vs_100 options I could switch tracks and control the fader. The behaviour is odd though. moving along tracks keeps the previous track highlighted so, after doing so and then trying to say turn down the fader, both tracks are controlled. 

    Looking on the Reaper forums, it seems that this is an age old problem with the vs-100. Some lucky folks on Windows have a guy that has created his own curface layout but alas not for MAC. 

    At least I can click on the individual track and use the fader of vs-100. 

    However, I managed to get some multi-track recording as a test in reaper and all seems good. I can see how this would be a great little mobile recording setup. 

    Bearing in mind that I haven't even used this with my Sonar X1 rig yet. I imagine that to be a truly magical experience :)

    It's a shame in some ways if I go with the vs-100 over my Firebox as I went to so much effort to ensure my Sonar rig was firewire perfect. Oh well. I was thinking that I could always use the FireBox for 2 more pre's for the vs-100 anyway. 

    A few thoughts/concerns with the vs-100:

    I was hoping that in stand alone Wav recorder mode, the recorded files could be grouped together into a folder or (song) grouping in some way. I've noticed that by pressing, IIRC, the shift button, the text "no song" is displayed but I can see no option to create a song, nor is there any mention of it in the manual. 

    If true, this is disappointing. It means that any song specific files are just all over the place. 
    Nor can you rename files? It does clearly state that files in folders CANNOT be played back (hmm)
    I feel that these are oversights by Cake/Roland. 

    I had a cool idea that although you can only playback one track whilst recording, you can at least record a guide scratch track of say guitar, and then play that file back whilst recording different parts one take at a time. Ending up with whole song. 

    Only prob is, if you come back to lay a track down for a sone previously recorded, the tracks get mixed up. Oh well. I guess you just copy them over to the Laptop, or write down the file names. 

    Once I have spent more time with it, I would like to come back and share with you how I have learnt to work with this machine. Perhaps we can all share our working methods and provide insight/work-arounds for each other to increase productivity/workflow. 

    All in all, excited about this unit. Time will tell if I return it or not. 

     Watch this space...

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    Re:Choir, preach to me! 2012/02/10 16:40:47 (permalink)
    Great little review SilverfoxUK! I'll have to take moment later to read it in more detail.
     
    Just a couple quick notes based on what I did skim over.
     
    I've got to say (and even I am surprised to confirm this), the reverb sounds really good? I'm hoping the verb can be printed? I am a person that always struggles to get the reverb right to my ears in a mix, but I really liked what I heard with the 'room' setting.

     
    The reverb can be printed, but only from the MAIN Output. That is because the reverb outs are sent directly to the mains, and not to each channel (as an insert) individually. Somewhere in this form topic there is a thread about that.
     
    I also wanted to mention that your right - the pre's do need to be turned up a fair bit on the VS-100. I just got used to that so I don't even think about it anymore. Usable area is between 12:00 and 4:00.

    Don't fix it in the mix ... Fix it in the take! 
     

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