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2016/09/09 10:19:16 (permalink)

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I was just thinking about the old rockers of yesterday after reading about the Desert Trip Concert in CA (Stones, The Who, McCartney, Dylan, Roger Waters etc...) and these guys are the last of the pioneers of rock music.
 
Once they're gone, not many of todays musicians can actually carry the torch to make a lasting impression.....yes, there'll be a very few that might standout here & there, but not to the impact these guys have made since the 60's.  

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 10:26:50 (permalink)
But what does this have to do with Elvis and his deep-fried banana and butter sandwiches? 

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 10:35:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/09/09 11:56:18
Maybe true Mesh, but these days I'd rather listen to something new than the old classics, even if it's not breaking any new ground (does it need to?)
 
There are bands and artists I like that I hope will be around for a long time, and are carrying the torch for what came before. Some bands are an improvement on their obvious influences IMO.

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 11:44:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/09/09 11:56:14
I think "the classic greats" introduced music in a way that just isn't possible anymore.
The Stones and Beatles basically recreated the American Blues and presented it to a white audience that wasn't familiar.  The prog greats combined rock n roll with classical and theatrical themes (more math-based, more time changes, etc).  Neither genre was more innovative than some of today's groups, just that they had found something new to present.
With the internet, there's very little "unfamiliar" left for modern musicians to introduce.
 
Not to say they weren't amazing, just that it was more than their talent. IMHO.
 
Oh, and also the popular music industry hadn't yet been shaped into this cookie-cutter throwaway cycle that we're currently in.  Record companies used to sometimes develop artists, whereas no there's no chance to grow - "have your single ready for distribution and competition with the million-selling artists, or you're gone immediately."

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 12:13:06 (permalink)
Very good points Matt and James. I suppose it's a bit disheartening (at least for me) to see them slowly fade into history, and I'll miss that raw talent/humble beginnings that they emerged from. There's something about the simplicity in their lives (however easy or difficult it might have been) that was very transparent in their music......

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 13:14:33 (permalink)
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Very good points Matt and James. I suppose it's a bit disheartening (at least for me) to see them slowly fade into history, and I'll miss that raw talent/humble beginnings that they emerged from. There's something about the simplicity in their lives (however easy or difficult it might have been) that was very transparent in their music......




I do know what you mean, I can remember the excitement of hearing new and groundbreaking stuff emerging almost every week back in the early '70's, but the records are still there, so is the concert footage. You can enjoy it for as long as you like  I don't think I'd want to see The Who live now, definitely not The Stones, and absolutely not Dylan. Some of them should really just..stop..

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 13:52:15 (permalink)
It's the decline of the local bands that I hate to see. That's not so true here in south Louisiana so much but everywhere else I've been it's much different than the old days. I remember when going to a local club was like going to a concert. There were so many clubs. 50 years ago. The magic has faded slowly over the years and will never be like that again ..... I need chocolate covered Becan now

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 14:38:31 (permalink)
I doubt if you are going to get the creative explosion of the late 60's and early 70's again but people are still making new and intresting music.
 
I would certainly prefer to see some of the newer bands live than the old timers these days, I had a great weekend back in May at the Panic Room event in Wolverhampton. Nine bands over the course of the weekend, all related to Panic Room in some way, all independent and all very good.
 
But it’s hard for these bands, the venues are no longer there for starters. I live in a conurbation of around 120,000 people and there are no dedicated music venues other than a few small bars.  Back in the early 70’s there were frequent concerts in a number of venues, almost every week there was something to my taste. These days for the most part you have to travel at least 30 miles to go to a gig.
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 14:56:46 (permalink)
Glyn, if BBT play live again, I'll meet you there

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 16:08:31 (permalink)
Remember the excitement of a new song release by a major rock star? Listening to a hit before it was a hit.
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 16:09:34 (permalink)
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Glyn, if BBT play live again, I'll meet you there
You're on.

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 16:21:21 (permalink)
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Glyn, if BBT play live again, I'll meet you there
You're on.

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 19:48:21 (permalink)
As you ride into the twilight
 
remember that the torch is always passed
 
A dog of many years
 
cares not to perform new tricks
 
and so around you the new paradigm comes full circle again
 
while you lie next to the fire
 
wishing for someone to throw on another log.
 
it goes like this
 
kindling
fuel
spark
flame
embers
ashes
 
Sleep well knowing that you have done good work
On your backs the new generation will build
 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/09 19:48:21 (permalink)
As you ride into the twilight
 
remember that the torch is always passed
 
A dog of many years
 
cares not to perform new tricks
 
and so around you the new paradigm comes full circle again
 
while you lie next to the fire
 
wishing for someone to throw on another log.
 
it goes like this
 
kindling
fuel
spark
flame
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Sleep well knowing that you have done good work
On your backs the new generation will build
 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/10 08:38:46 (permalink)
I can't see how I'm going to sleep well when I'm riding into the twilight (on what..a bike?) while simultaneously lying next to a fire with someone building on my back...

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/10 21:25:45 (permalink)
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I can't see how I'm going to sleep well when I'm riding into the twilight (on what..a bike?) while simultaneously lying next to a fire with someone building on my back...


Hey, this............
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvB5dQHvRSc
 
Shut up and play yer guitar!
 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/10 21:52:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/09/11 18:06:52

Classic Rock.

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/11 17:46:53 (permalink)
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/12 09:10:40 (permalink)
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I can't see how I'm going to sleep well when I'm riding into the twilight (on what..a bike?) while simultaneously lying next to a fire with someone building on my back...


You can't teach old dogs new tricks?


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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/13 10:09:36 (permalink)
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I was just thinking about the old rockers of yesterday after reading about the Desert Trip Concert in CA (Stones, The Who, McCartney, Dylan, Roger Waters etc...) and these guys are the last of the pioneers of rock music.
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I don't look at them as "pioneers" in the sense of "heroes" or anything. Why? Because there is more music out there, and their biggest claim to that fame, was sales, not necessarily the music.
 
I would say they helped make the whole thing more visible, however, to consider them the top of the music, they aren't ... top of the pops is more like it.
 
I like Roger's adventure in "Ca Ira", with one exception ... he made a huge mistake not using an electric guitar and a keyboard, to help make his music even better in that thing, that sounded bland and boring, otherwise. In the end, of all the others, I would think some of them have abused their privilege as "stars" and are pushing the button in the wrong direction as far as "music" and its history is concerned. At this point for them, it's more about how much more they can bring home!

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/13 12:04:16 (permalink)
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Glyn, if BBT play live again, I'll meet you there
You're on.



Just saw on Facebook, BBT will be playing Cadogan Hall in London in September 2017

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/13 14:29:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/09/13 14:51:34
Funny thing about the music we grew up on. For more than a few years now, when I hear certain older songs I'm reminded of different times in my life. It might be a girl, an old friend or band mate, a city, a concert or a gig. Most of those memories are of the fond variety and some can make me a bit melancholy. Other than a photograph, I can't think of anything else that can evoke a memory like that.

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/13 15:04:54 (permalink)
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Funny thing about the music we grew up on. For more than a few years now, when I hear certain older songs I'm reminded of different times in my life. It might be a girl, an old friend or band mate, a city, a concert or a gig. Most of those memories are of the fond variety and some can make me a bit melancholy. Other than a photograph, I can't think of anything else that can evoke a memory like that.




Very true Randy, and they can be the cheesiest or the coolest songs, doesn't matter.

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/14 11:47:30 (permalink)
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Funny thing about the music we grew up on. For more than a few years now, when I hear certain older songs I'm reminded of different times in my life. It might be a girl, an old friend or band mate, a city, a concert or a gig. Most of those memories are of the fond variety and some can make me a bit melancholy. Other than a photograph, I can't think of anything else that can evoke a memory like that.




I have a lot of those moments, but as much as I love them dearly, it does not compare in any way to the moment that a poem synthesizes in your hand and paper. And this has happened to me a few times, and it is strong enough to carry me several days. Because of it, a lot of the "star" thing, falls off really quick for me.
 
When you consider I saw PF 5 times (1st at the Hollywood Bowl in 1972), some 43 years later, it was 3 drummers in KC that showed how important music can be when it is played lovingly and beautifully. It was worth the trip to Seattle, and I agreed with Robert Fripp ... you have to learn to close your eyes ... to appreciate it even more!

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/14 11:49:27 (permalink)
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Funny thing about the music we grew up on. For more than a few years now, when I hear certain older songs I'm reminded of different times in my life. It might be a girl, an old friend or band mate, a city, a concert or a gig. Most of those memories are of the fond variety and some can make me a bit melancholy. Other than a photograph, I can't think of anything else that can evoke a memory like that.


So true...usually some god memory too. Weather changes sometimes do that to me too. For years the first chill of fall would make me want to visit a different headspace because that's the time of year I discovered it.
 
I remember when The BEATLES song Can't Buy Me Love came out. I guess they were at their peak because I'll never forget being amazed at the news that it sold a million copies before it was released. There's power in that.
 
In the new GP magazine or maybe the last... there is a bit with Ritchie Blackmore. He talks about how he is slowing down. He says the managers/promoters push for a show every day but they do maximum two a week with Blickmore's Night, they play longer shows, 4+ hours and then rest up for the next one not like the 70s with DP when they would play 1.5 hour shows every night in a different town. He said that the guys in DP are still doing that and it is making them sick. I can imagine...
 
Grace Slick knew when to stop but some seem to be able to pull it off for longer, some for better, some for less. David Gilmour seems to still be in good form. OH... and if you want classic rock... you know Pink Floyd has a "Early Years" box set coming out.. only $700, it should be good! (not that good though) I thought about it, then I thought again.
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/16 11:18:09 (permalink)
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Funny thing about the music we grew up on. For more than a few years now, when I hear certain older songs I'm reminded of different times in my life. It might be a girl, an old friend or band mate, a city, a concert or a gig. Most of those memories are of the fond variety and some can make me a bit melancholy. Other than a photograph, I can't think of anything else that can evoke a memory like that.




It's really hard to overcome the "past", but it is a part of growing up. Many of us, think that some of these experiences are bigger and better than what you are doing now, or seeing, and thus, it makes the perspective of things get slanted in one direction, and very little "today" can stand up.
 
Historically, in any of the arts, you know that is not true. There is a "snapshot" and a "photograph" of it and we call it "history" and sometimes we even teach it in school. What you know and can play was learned through/by all this "history" that helped compile it. You are basically saying that you have no ability to add/create to that history, and I think you are incorrect there.
 
You have, as much ability as anyone else, and seeing things in a different perspective is the difference. When your sights, are "out there" and "elsewhere", it is impossible, EVEN IN TIME, to accept and understand the grand beauty and statement of "NOW" ... in any art.
 
A photograph, is a FROZEN MOMENT IN TIME, and nothing else. To say that it is more important than any other moment in that person's life, or history, is distorting the whole perspective of that person, or art. Likewise, we are distorting our own abilities and perceptions so that we can not possibly be as good, or better, than what was there before.
 
I would rather see you in your band, and appreciate the care and playing involved, than try and pay to go see a Roger, or Paul, or Pete. Who the **** are you kidding?

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/16 11:58:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/09/17 16:00:30
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You are basically saying that you have no ability to add/create to that history, and I think you are incorrect there.
 





 
Nope. He wasn't saying that, or anything even close to it.

 
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/16 12:25:41 (permalink)
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Moshkito
 
 
You are basically saying that you have no ability to add/create to that history, and I think you are incorrect there.
 





 
Nope. He wasn't saying that, or anything even close to it.


I'm shocked and amazed at you, James!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
you're still reading what Pedro writes!

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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/16 13:33:49 (permalink)
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Moshkito
 
 
You are basically saying that you have no ability to add/create to that history, and I think you are incorrect there.
 





 
Nope. He wasn't saying that, or anything even close to it.




This!
Although, he did say he'd rather see me than Roger, Paul or Pete so I have that going for me.
 
Hey Pedro, if you really meant that, I'm performing live next week for the 1st time in over 20 years. It's a private event being hosted by an old friend/fan and its a sold out show. It's in New York so get your travel arrangements in order. I'll put you on the list.
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Re: Classic Rock 2016/09/16 14:10:18 (permalink)
Cool! Good luck Randy - up to your knees in hookers and blow!!!

 
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