pjfarr
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Clean Audio Folder Tool
This is not a big deal, just one of those little ???? things...
When using the Clean Audio Folder command with a specific folder path entered it will still search my entire system (both C and D drives) which takes a while, since they're large discs. Although the results are always limited to the folder path I entered, I'd like to limit the search to that particular folder as well.
Is this a bug, or is it actually deliberate? (and if so, what's the advantage?)
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ohhey
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/07 10:21:53
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ORIGINAL: pjfarr
This is not a big deal, just one of those little ???? things...
When using the Clean Audio Folder command with a specific folder path entered it will still search my entire system (both C and D drives) which takes a while, since they're large discs. Although the results are always limited to the folder path I entered, I'd like to limit the search to that particular folder as well.
Is this a bug, or is it actually deliberate? (and if so, what's the advantage?)
Yeah.. it doesn't work as advertised. That thing has never worked right, it even finds files in your system folder of the same extension as some Sonar files and halts some times. Cakewalk has added tons of features over the last few versions but have failed to improve (read... fix) the basic file management utilities. 
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/07 10:24:27
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Holy smokes ---and I thought I just couldn't figure out how to use it properly!!!! That explains it!
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pjfarr
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/07 10:24:45
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Thanks, Frank! 
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WhyBe
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/07 13:40:55
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In order for it to work properly, the 'Clean Audio Folders' function must see ALL project files on your system. Otherwise it doesn't know which audio to clean or not.
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pjfarr
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/07 14:03:16
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Thanks W.B. for your input.
Sometimes I just want to clean out the unused takes from the audio folder of a specific song. (I'm using per-song folders).
Since the Clean Audio Folder Tool askes for a specific audio folder path to clean, I'm thinkin' it's nonsensical for it to then scan the entire system anyway.
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WhyBe
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/07 14:11:34
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OK, I see. Maybe a feature request for a 'Clean Project Folder Audio'.
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Kalle Rantaaho
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/09 15:12:52
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Haven't been in need of "clean audio folders" yet (spent ridicilously much time on just a couple of projects), but very soon will be. How do you guys get rid of the unnecessary audio then? Has someone the guts to start deleting them file by file?Or does CAF do it's job, only in a way less desirable?
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CJaysMusic
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/09 15:55:05
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Before you start deleteting any files or using the clean audio folder. You should use the Consildate Audio first. Then do a Save As with a slightly different name. Then back-up the Saved As project on an external drive and a DVD. Then unhook the external drive from the PC and delete all the older projects that you "think you dont need".
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mixsit
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/09 16:23:11
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ORIGINAL: WhyBe
OK, I see. Maybe a feature request for a 'Clean Project Folder Audio'.
It's already doing that. But since CWPs don't generally live on the audio drive/folder, perhaps what's missing is 'only refer to projects at location 'x' that may use this audio'. I've found 'clean to be relaible but I use a methodology similar to CJays'; All audio folders and b/u daily work in progress CWPs get duplicated to the b/u drive. Then do the 'cleans. (first on the primary folder, if it looks good, then the b/u. The gotcha for me is the daily save-as CWP's start adding up. So if for example I'm finally deleting old un-needed takes' late in the game, I'm going to the b/u CWPs and adding an 'x in the extension so Cake won't see them and say 'oops he still needs these old files. Does that make sense?   Wayne
post edited by mixsit - 2007/06/09 16:28:22
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cornix
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/06/09 18:57:05
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'clean audio folder' command ALWAYS crash my Sonar... ALWAYS = every single time bah
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Tripecac
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/10/03 23:13:21
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Does it crash Sonar, or apparently freeze it?
For me, if I click on something outside of Sonar while the Clean Audio tool is running, Sonar appears to freeze. However, it doesn't really freeze - it just keeps searching files in the background without updating the display. If I wait long enough, Sonar finishes its search and acts normally again. It's a weird glitch that appears even in Sonar 7.
Does your Sonar actually crash, or just apparently freeze?
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Tripecac
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/10/03 23:18:31
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Anyway, I too would love to limit the searching performed by the Clean Audio tool. I have three large hard drives with tons of files and hate having to wait several minutes for Sonar to scan the entire system when all I want it to do is scan one directory!
I'm disappointed that they didn't address this in Sonar 7.
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kwgm
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2007/10/04 00:27:27
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Yes, it's a terrible tool that brute forces its way through your whole drive, and it won't acknowledge the cancel button.
Programs that don't work as documented and that take over control of your computer for 15 minutes without giving any signal of health, have no place shipping with a commercial software package at this price point.
I've removed this useless timebomb from my tools menu so that I don't invoke it by accident.
You know, Cakewalk has some great features and this 7.0 revision addressed many shortcomings with the 6.0 product, but then they leave junk like this in Sonar version after version, for unsuspecting users to crash into, and it makes you wonder if anybody's really got control of this product.
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spindlebox
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2008/02/28 11:53:20
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I guess I'm getting back to an earlier question. What's the best way to clean useless/old audio from project files then. CJ's method? Or would it be just as good to just make BUN's of all current projects, delete all audio in projects folders, and then unpack?
I'm receiving an error message when I use the Clean Audio tool anyway. "The Parameter is Incorrect", I hit OK, and the whole operation is done without anything being done.
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2008/02/28 12:02:43
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So its not just me then? :)
I'll have a look at the Consolidate Audio function.
I have just been deleting ancient history wavs from the audio folder - sometimes it complains about missing files and creates a 'blank' which I then delete.
Have you also looked at the CWPs in a text editor? It often has references to things that you have long since removed, like plugins etc.
Maybe doing a Save As will get rid of those too and clean up the CWP a bit.
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ohhey
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2008/02/28 12:53:59
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ORIGINAL: WhyBe
OK, I see. Maybe a feature request for a 'Clean Project Folder Audio'.
Yeah.. that would be good. Or maybe a lot of options on what to look for and what to clean. I feel like Cake is punishing the folks who do good file management (and use per project folders) by making us use a tool that assumes the user doesn't have a clue where the files are. It's one thing to have an idiot proof "mode" by default but it should at least have an advanced mode for those who are not. Maybe they need to add a list of files used in a project inside the project and have a tool that uses that list instead of blindly searching every drive on the system for files with some type of matching extension, even when they are not audio files at all. Hell I've had it stall on system files it thought were part of my project.. it just needs to be smarter then that.
post edited by ohhey - 2008/02/28 12:57:43
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2008/02/28 12:54:42
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I'm filing this under BETTER ASSET MANAGEMENT TOOLS!!!! Seriously. Global and per project reorg of audio files... Anyhow, my understanding was that even Cake did not recommend the Clean command, and instead recommended the CWAF tool included on the SONAR DVD. I don't use "per project audio folders" in their truest sense, so I used the Consolidate Audio command to gather each and every project's audio files into nice tidy folders within my global. It's a good command but it doesn't then give you the option to delete the original files, so you still have to hunt down your dupes. BETTER ASSET MANAGEMENT TOOLS! 
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2008/02/28 12:58:23
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Cakewalk please take note - all these little things make a MASSIVE, MASSIVE difference to productivity and happiness.
I'd take proper management tools over any new synth. It really should be a priority for the developers and it really would be a good selling point.
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2008/02/28 12:58:57
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Along the lines of what CJ said...
If you're sure that the current open project contains all clips that you want to keep in your audio folder... I've done this:
1) With the project open, use consolidate audio.
2) Exit Sonar
3) Go to the project's audio folder and delete all WAV files in the *\Audio root
4) Replace them with the consolidated clips
5) Re-open the project and all should be well
Takes only a few clicks, really.
(NOTE: Try at your own risk... works for me every time. But you may want to make a backup first!)
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harikaram
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2010/10/31 10:06:22
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This strategy is fine for the final version but if you save multiple versions of your project as you work (I have 20 in my latest!) you'd have to do this for each version. I like to keep the old versions just in case there is something I want to resurrect from them...
A simple "restrict to drive/folder" option would be all thats required...
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tyouell@hotmail.com
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2012/09/20 18:22:43
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I remember coming across this thread about 4 years ago and saying to myself, "I can't believe Cakewalk is still implementing this woefully inadequate (read, virtually useless) utility. The point is, I was saying "still" 4 years ago. Now I'm saying, "C'mon guys..." :-/ The only safe and reliable way I've ever been able to delete unused .wav data is to save each project...one by solitary one...along with it's audio data, to a new location and deleting the old projects along with their old data. It would be wonderful if there were a utility that: 1. Analyses each Cakewalk file & audio file in a user-designated folder path, or multiple paths (instead of every single freaking HD in your system) 2. ACCURATELY determines which audio files are orphaned from the analysed Project files... 3. And allows you to delete them...to the Recycle Bin for FREAK'S SAKE, not straight into oblivion like it currently does. Is it too much to ask...seriously? If I'm way off here and somehow missed that the Clean Audio tool has been fixed or always worked in the 1st place, please please set me straight and show me how it really does what it's supposed to do. Cheers! : )
post edited by tyouell@hotmail.com - 2012/09/20 18:24:58
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tyouell@hotmail.com
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RE: Clean Audio Folder Tool
2012/09/20 20:42:49
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Ok...sorry for my rant. And for resurrecting this ancient thread. I've been working with it all afternoon and the Clean Audio tool is not exactly useless. However, the fact that I've been working with it all after noon is a strike in and of itself. 1. Although it does for some reason scan drives and partitions outside the Audio Path that you designate, it doesn't spend much time with them. The longest the scan took for me was about 2 1/2 min. So I can live with that...sorry Bakers. 2. It seems as though it is indeed quite accurate in determining which files are not used by any existing Cakewalk projects. Just be careful...if there are any samples or other audio files that aren't directly used in SONAR tracks, such as samples used by a plug-in (yes they shouldn't be there but if they are...) they will show up in the list...and not show up in their project if you delete them here. 3. However the 3rd issue is still a problem. Hitting the delete button hardly feels "safe" as the tool implies because once you hit the delete button, the files are history...they do not go to the Recycle Bin and if you make a mistake, it's file recovery (and prayer) time. Bottom line....backup up your files...all the time actually, not just before using this utility. So i guess I set myself straight. The utility seems to work ok. Still it's a bit nerve racking; I think Cakewalk can do better.
post edited by tyouell@hotmail.com - 2012/09/20 20:44:53
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