Clip Fade-Out does not work

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2011/04/04 11:57:31 (permalink)

Clip Fade-Out does not work

Sonar X1:

When I'm trying to fade the end of a clip (by cropping from its end), the linear fade-out line is displayed, but the clip does not fade, but stops abruptly where the fade is supposed the start. Any ideas how to fix this?
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    garrigus
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/04 12:32:51 (permalink)
    Create the fade after you crop the clip.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/04 12:44:23 (permalink)
    Sorry, I guess I explained wrong: I meant every time I create the face, no matter what I did with the clip, there is no fade, the audio simply stops where the face should start.

    I also have this with finished projects I created under 8.5.: fade-outs worked fine, when I play back the songs now, there is no fade, but a sudden stop.
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/04 12:56:49 (permalink)
    Hmm... not sure what's going on there. Does it happen on new projects? Or just old ones?

    It could be a problem or bug with X1 opening old projects, but not sure.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/04 13:01:10 (permalink)
    I happens with both old an new projects. It's a totally new machine, new OS (Win 7), X1 64bit patched. No clue.
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/04 13:03:14 (permalink)
    your using the smart tool?just grab the top of the clip and drag it in towards the clip.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/04 13:34:55 (permalink)
    Sounds like more of a "jump" than a linear fadeout. For a test, you could try switching the type of fadeout (right-click when you bring up the fade cursor).

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 08:43:45 (permalink)
    Same behaviour with all types of fade-out, sound just stops suddenly. Any other ideas?
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 08:51:04 (permalink)
    What about fade-ins? Are they affected?
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 09:23:59 (permalink)
    Wow never heard of that. Did you bounce to clip before applying the fade? Is there an expander/gate in there somewhere?
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 09:38:23 (permalink)
    Yes, same behaviour for fade-ins.

    No need to bounce: I recorded a stereo track acoustic guitar, no processing whatsoever, just wanted to fade-out the clip. No gate, no nothing (apart from a low cut using Pro Channel).

    One new finding: mono clips work fine, it only seems to affect stereo clips.
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 09:40:55 (permalink)
    Could you give us a screenshot?

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 09:54:46 (permalink)
    Does the wave form show the gradual attenuation when you move the fade slider, or does the wave form show the same abrupt stoppage? Does a volume automation fade work OK?

    There's an option under >Preferences>Customization>Display>Display Clip Fade Attenuation. Might give you a clue if it's not already activated.
    post edited by HumbleNoise - 2011/04/05 10:03:53

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 10:28:33 (permalink)
    The wave form does show the gradual attenuation for both stereo and mono clips, however the stereo clip does not fade.
    Volume automation fade works fine.

    here is a screenshot: http://www.file-upload.ne.view-3338054/x1.jpg.html


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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 17:21:24 (permalink)
    I have same probleme with fade-in and fade-out.
    What can I do? Can you help me? Thanks Juro.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 17:55:18 (permalink)
    Is this maybe a foreign-language-specific bug? It's happened before.
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 17:59:03 (permalink)
    I see the OP is indeed using a foreign version which? Juro - the same version??   I think it is indeed the English version but perhaps the OP can clarify?

    This one has me stumped and interested -  hope you find a solution - but I got nuthin here.

    Have you sent in a problem report?


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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 18:46:08 (permalink)
    It looks like the English version to me.

    I have not run across this. How short is that fade?

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 18:58:03 (permalink)
    John


    It looks like the English version to me.

    I have not run across this. How short is that fade?


    Yeah I think you're right about the English version John. I saw the word uln and figured it was something else. Still has my curiosity up as it works great here.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 19:06:06 (permalink)
    I'm only mildly interested in this. I have never had a problem with fades in Sonar. I hope that this something that is fixable here though.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 19:09:18 (permalink)
    HumbleNoise


    John


    It looks like the English version to me.

    I have not run across this. How short is that fade?


    Yeah I think you're right about the English version John. I saw the word uln and figured it was something else. Still has my curiosity up as it works great here.


    And yet the track level text has a comma where us English types would expect a dot. Curious.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/05 19:13:35 (permalink)
    Peter you have darn good eyes. Good catch. It could be a European version.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/04/06 04:22:07 (permalink)
    Good eyes, indeed :)

    I live in Germany, hence I run a German version of Win 7 (since I couldn't get hold of an English one here), but I run the English version of Sonar.

    The issue occurs no matter how long or short the fade is. I sent in a problem report this morning. Weird thing.
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/05/03 09:07:07 (permalink)
    native


    Good eyes, indeed :)

    I live in Germany, hence I run a German version of Win 7 (since I couldn't get hold of an English one here), but I run the English version of Sonar.

    The issue occurs no matter how long or short the fade is. I sent in a problem report this morning. Weird thing.

    Have you had a solution to this yet? I have exactly the same problem. I've also filed a report.
     
     
     
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/05/13 16:05:08 (permalink)
    no solution, yet. I sent a project to CW support, but they were not able to replicate the problem.

    One more finding: I have a laptop with the same OS (German Win 64bit), I installed X1 on this, but did not install patches 1a and 1b. And the fades work fine there.

    So:

    1. looks like it is not a general language specific problem.
    2. I plan to install patches 1a and 1b and see if one of these introduces the problem. 

    I am in the middle of a production and currently lack time to look into this in more detail. will post if I find anything.
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/06/03 19:25:39 (permalink)
    I have the same problem.   I found another thread ( http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2301149&high=fade+cuts+off ) where he said the CW team fixed his, but no solution is posted.  Mine only affects certain tracks. 

    I have a project I recorded this week with just two tracks.  A vocal track and a piano track.  The vocal fades all work fine.  In the piano track however the fades are silent until the end of the fade when the sound abruptly starts (or stops depending on if you are at the start or end of clip). 

    I used a midi track output through the TruePiano soft synth, set up as a simple instrument track, and bounced the output to a new audio track to get the piano wave I am using. I tried switching the track to mono, but it still didn't work.  I cloned the track and the new track doesn't work either.  I tried the different fade options and it didn't work.  The clip visually shows the attenuation of the wave like it should but it just doesn't work.  Any help on this yet??? 

    As a work around I recorded some volume automation which works but that sure takes a lot longer than just dragging the fades from the edge of a clip. 

      I am running an English version of Windows 7 64bit, Sonar X1b with the latest quick fix from the download site. 
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/06/04 02:22:40 (permalink)
    I found another thread ( http://forum.cakewalk.com...+off ) where he said the CW team fixed his, but no solution is posted. 



    It has to do with support for special directives in Sandybridge processors. As mentioned in the other thread, it will likely be fixed in the next Quickfix. Until then, volume envelopes are your friend.

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/06/07 16:00:18 (permalink)
    Thank you for the response, I will quit trying to fix it and wait for an update heh. 
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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/06/18 08:29:11 (permalink)
    Sorry for hijacking this, but can anyone explain how to drag a fade in or fade out on an audio clip when you have an automation enabled (volume for example), the smart tool seems to only control the automation line now and does not allow you to fade in or out the audio clip as per usual, none of the other tools will allow this either?

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    Re:Clip Fade-Out does not work 2011/06/18 08:51:39 (permalink)
    That's to do with what you have selected in the track header.

    Look for the drop down boxes on each track. Most of them will probably say "Clips", the one on the track you're having problems with will say "Automation". That just sets what's currently editable on that track. Change it back to clips, and you can do what you need to.

    If you can't see these boxes, look for another drop down box in the grey bit above the track headers (next to the time display there). Make sure that's set to "All", and you'll be able to find the boxes.
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