Euthymia
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Clip looping
What I'm trying to do: I have a simple repetitive piece of music, done to Cakewalk's built-in metronome. The rhythm track is based on a "found" sample that I'm layering other tracks over. I recorded myself for a few minutes playing the drum beat I want to use. All I need is one measure, I want to pick the best measure and loop that throughout the whole song. Should be simple in DAWsville: pick the coolest-sounding measure, cut it at each end, discard the rest, drag it on over to the start of the song, tell the DAW that you want those newly-created clips to loop as you drag their right edges, and there you have a song with your drums looped across the whole thing. Every DAW has a different way of doing this, Cakewalk's seems to be that you right-click the clips and tell it that you want to enable Groove Clip Looping, at which point you can drag the right edges and have them loop. Indeed, this is true. I was able to accomplish that. But man, oh man, what a flail-fest! Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seemed to be no indication whatsoever that my clip(s) had toggled into Groove Clip mode. I was looking for chamfered corners, something in the clip header, color change, anything? Is the only way to find out to drag the right edge, see what you get, and if it's the wrong thing, Ctrl-Z and toggle it? Also, I was working with a recording of my full drum kit, which for me, consists of 4 mics (Glyn Johns OH's + 2), and they were Grouped. Chopping the Takes down into 1-measure Clips went swimmingly, everything trimmed, deleted, and moved as expected, which was such an improvement over my previous DAW. But when we got Groovy, things went sideways very quickly. I zoomed in and worked with one clip, right clicked on it, turned on Groove Clippery, and sure enough, it dragged and looped as advertised, so I played around with it a bit, got it where I wanted and then zoomed out to check my handiwork Whoa, WOT?? Apparently applying Groove Clip Looping isn't something that happens to all of the clips in a Group, but all the drags and edits that I did on the top clip still did! So quite a mess awaited me. Anyway, all that's for future feature requests/bug reports depending on whether it's expected behavior or not. My questions are: is this the easiest way to go about this, and is the behavior I saw: 1. lack of indication that my clip was in Groove Clip Looping Mode, and 2. the application of Groove Clip Looping being something that doesn't happen to all clips in a Group, currently expected behavior?
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Team Green
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Re: Clip looping
2018/07/31 11:43:43
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I wish Cakewalk worked with audio clips as effortlessly as REAPER, I love the way you can slow your audio tracks down in REAPER without causing massive artifacts etc.. Cakewalk rules the MIDI and work-flow scene but it needs work with the audio aspect of things.
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Re: Clip looping
2018/07/31 11:46:07
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Team Green I wish Cakewalk worked with audio clips as effortlessly as REAPER, I love the way you can slow your audio tracks down in REAPER without causing massive artifacts etc.. Cakewalk rules the MIDI and work-flow scene but it needs work with the audio aspect of things.
Are you remembering to bounce to clips afterwords? For performance reasons, slowed down/sped up audio does a "quick and dirty" render until you bounce to clips.
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Team Green
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Re: Clip looping
2018/07/31 12:39:08
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Thanks for the info I'll give it a try. I've found that some of my older drum wave files sound strange in the preview pane and also after placing them in a track within Cakewalk even after using the control L command. Its strange to me that I can move them in and out of REAPER previewing and pasting without any problems whatsoever. I'm not ripping on Cakewalk I've been a loyal customer for decades and I love it's MIDI capabilities and workflow layout. Lately I find myself doing my audio recording and layout in REAPER and then transferring my audio to Cakewalk to add MIDI and master.
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Euthymia
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/01 06:08:48
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A day later and 3 replies that are about how REAPER works. I just want to know whether turning on Groove Clip Looping and dragging out the right edge is the easiest way to repeat a measure of audio and/or whether there's supposed to be a visual indication whether clips have Groove Clip Looping turned on. Was I too wordy?
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/01 06:38:15
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Yes, this is the easiest way. Just Try It. Groove Clips Have Rounded Edges.
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brandonc
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/01 06:44:53
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Team Green, If wave files sound strange in the Preview Pane, make sure you are NOT previewing those wave files with the Media Browser(preview pane) "SET" to preview at host tempo BPM.
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Euthymia
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/02 08:09:20
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brandonc Yes, this is the easiest way. Just Try It. Groove Clips Have Rounded Edges.
I did indeed Try It. My clips did not Have Rounded Edges after I enabled Groove Clip Looping, so something Must Have Gone Wrong. Also, I couldn't find anything in the documentation that said that, so maybe the documentation could be made more obvious. Perhaps I shall suggest it.
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/02 11:03:34
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From the online documentation: The Groove Clip Looping command enables a selected audio clip’s looping capabilities. When you enable these capabilities, you can make unlimited copies of the clip by dragging its start or end points to the left or right, respectively. When a clip’s looping capabilities are enabled, the clip’s corners are beveled instead of sharp. If the clip’s looping capabilities are already enabled, the same command turns them off. My boldface.
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Euthymia
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/03 08:53:29
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Thank you! The answer I was looking for! Clips with Groove Clip Looping enabled are supposed to have beveled corners! I searched the documentation, and maybe I'm doing that wrong, but my searches of the online documentation typically yield results that start with commercial offers and then stuff from SONAR X3, X2, Home Studio, etc. In any case, the beveled edges aren't consistent (at least on my system), so I need to put together a bug report.
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Canopus
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/03 10:02:36
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Euthymia In any case, the beveled edges aren't consistent (at least on my system), so I need to put together a bug report.
If you inserted a clip, selected it and then from the context menu selected Groove-Clip Looping (or simply pressed Ctrl+L) and couldn’t see any bevelled edges, my guess is that you imported a sample with groove clip capabilities already enabled. If that indeed was the case, you would effectively have toggled the groove clip capabilities off, resulting I sharp cornered clips. On a moderate sized monitor with high resolution, the bevelled edges might be a bit hard to see, especially if the clip and track colours doesn’t give good enough contrast. In this particular case I think that Mercury works much better than Tungsten.
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Euthymia
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/03 10:51:35
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What I am seeing is that I drag and drop a piece of audio (In FLAC form), split it in a few places, and the resulting clips have beveled corners. Then I toggle GCL, and the beveled corners go away, with the GCL functioning as expected. If I fiddle with it enough times, I can get it to where the toggle is correct, that is, when the clip is GCL'd, the corners are beveled, but at least initially, it's backwards. This can't be expected behavior.
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/03 10:56:38
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if you convert the clip to WAV before importing, does it behave correctly? it could be getting lost in the internal conversion
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Euthymia
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/03 11:19:30
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Okay, I just tried it again. What I am seeing is that I drag and drop a FLAC file, then split it at various points. Each resulting clip has the lower corners beveled, but not the top. When I enabled GCL on one clip, I got the beveled corners on all 4, and it behaved as expected. When I turned GCL off on the clip, all of the bevels went away. I guess my question at this point is what's up with the bevels at the lower corners? The FLAC file under test is just a rip from a CD that I'm using as a piece of audio to play with. What I'm doing is messing about trying to build my Cakechops on something that's not in the critical path, so I grabbed whatever I could find on my 'puter. There should be no embedded information, it's not Acidized or anything, just raw audio for me to play with the editing functions. I'm really hurting for a PDF manual I can curl up with. I loves me some CbB, and I'm a BandLab rah-rah, but gimme a PDF manual with good searchability, pleeeease.
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Canopus
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/03 11:45:39
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Euthymia I'm really hurting for a PDF manual I can curl up with. I loves me some CbB, and I'm a BandLab rah-rah, but gimme a PDF manual with good searchability, pleeeease.
Anyone with a recent version of SONAR installed has a 2,348 page PDF available in the program folder called SONAR Reference Guide. Not sure why it hasn’t been distributed with CbB, but as that PDF hasn’t been updated since early 2017 it’s probably considered obsolete and too much work to keep updated alongside the online documentation. Maybe you can ask BandLab support for a copy? I don’t want to break the EULA.
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Euthymia
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Re: Clip looping
2018/08/03 15:06:47
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A 2,348 page PDF sounds like a treat to me. I shall ask them. Only a year out of date doesn't sound too bad. Thanks for the tip! Canopus Anyone with a recent version of SONAR installed has a 2,348 page PDF available in the program folder called SONAR Reference Guide. Not sure why it hasn’t been distributed with CbB, but as that PDF hasn’t been updated since early 2017 it’s probably considered obsolete and too much work to keep updated alongside the online documentation. Maybe you can ask BandLab support for a copy? I don’t want to break the EULA.
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