Collaboration eligibility test.

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I directed many plays and a couple of films, and am working on another. The actors, in them, of course, ARE the ones that will make this go or not go, so you have to take their imput and add/adjust it to match the grand vision.

The hardest part as a director? You have a script, a vision, and sometimes it seems like it is being blown apart ... and that is NOT the case ever ... since no one has seen it anyway! That would be an ego thing ...!

In the end, however, after all rehearsals, the director might want to do something else, because it smoothes out the staging, and the filming, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. In general, there are more tools "outside" the actors, that can make something work than otherwise ... for example, an aside, or frown, might not work if you catch it directly ... but in the background, not as the main focus, and right there, it adds to the completeness of the moment. This, is the hardest subtlety that most musicians are not willing, or capable of working with when discussing their music ... they are way too rock'n'roll minded, or popular music minded to see a bit more beyond what they want to see ... which makes them think and feel that they know music better ... well, their song, they do, and I would not question that!

Both film, theater, and music, are, for the most part collaborative arts ... but in the end, a lot of these collaborations tend to wash down and dilute each and every person's abilities to the point where the eventual result suffers. This is where a good "director" can help things ... but it is hard even for actors ... who like to say ... I am that character ... when all you are doing is changing the tshirt, or the shoes and you taking a left step instead of a right step. In the end, those details don't matter ... but your attitude and attention to the detail and work, will define your level of professionalism ... not even your compulsory comments about what someone else sees! ... there is one tree in the middle and you are over there and others are not on the same spot ... expecting them to see the same thing ... is not only wrong, it is naive and childish!

Bapu is tough ... I think he likes to have his way ... and that's that ... but being a musician that plays bass, I think he finds he has to play 2nd fiddle and I believe his ability and talent to see a better/higher perspective for a piece of music, might enter into the scene, and prevent him from just concentrate on the bass part ... he is mechanically sound and very good in his engineering of things ... and yeah ... I suppose you have to be all A's ... to get things done sometimes!

Most real "artists" do not compromise ... it is their work. End of story. So, if Bapu is making the claim ... I'm ok with it!

Well, if I was collaboratin' with him, I'd just do what he asked and say thanks every time he asked something of me because I'm getting the free usage of his multitude of plug-in's, mastering skill, and equipment.

But that's just how my feeble brain works. ;)

:-)

musicman100


I am still waiting for my collaboration to come to fruition..

 
You could have been screwed up and thrown in the bin by now.
 
It will still be a priviledge for you though.
 
 
Have you tried paying him to appear?
 
 
It's worth it at any price, you could end up in the Songs forum with your name in lights under the banner of 'The Coffee House Collaborators' if you play your cards right.
 
It doesn't get any betterer than that.

musicman100
 
Is there a "C" choice?

Yes, there's a choice "C" for sure if that helps.

It's a gift. Is this a good idea though?

How about sorting it out in private? That usually works better in my experience. I smell burning bridges here.

OH SURE! I was asked fer a getar part fer a song and NOW it's we're waitin fer HIM to fruitate and come up with something. I Am efllected with an ear infection mind you BUT NO. That's no excuse! 


P.S. SEC Championship is on!

This thread makes Beepster sad.

:-(

See? The frowny face proves it.

Hey Bub - you haven't said anything upsetting as far as I know. You're a good bloke.

By the a$$hole upstairs, you don't mean the squirrel in my attic do you? Keeps me awake all bloody night.

Oh geez, another Interweb relationship gone sour.

Hopefully you can get this sorted out amiably.

Welp... it might be the stress, the exhaustion, the pain, the painkillers or me just being a gol' danged hippie but I think pretty much all of you are a bunch of fine folks. This too shall pass.

Also remember kids... internet drama is the lamest form of drama.

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jamesg1213


You can't really start a thread to bring to everyone's attention a grievance you have, and then expect everyone to 'let it die' once you've had your say. It's a public forum, and you chose you make your grievance public. Like it or not, you've invited comment.

. If you choose to collaborate with someone on a project of theirs, and you accept that they are the producer, then you probably have to expect that they're going to make decisions about your contribution which may vary from your own choices, if you were producing. Which you're not.

Been there.

I raised it.  What any one else wants to make of it or do with it is out of my control.  I'm saying anyone is welcome to let it die.  I promise not to add to it but since you raised a point directly to me I'm happy to answer it.
 
Like I said I didn't care what was done to my contrib after I'd done it.  The timeline is in the questionairre.  I said I didn't want my name put to it if it was to be posted like it was, that's what caused the insane reaction.
 
I've collab'd with you before and even if you haven't used my contrib you've been courteous and respectful about it and there's been no bad feeling left behind and I've never got out of my pram over anything I've done with anyone once I've done it.
 
I hear what you are saying sadly it doesn't apply here.  I wish it did.

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