Combining EZ Drummer Libraries

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2011/11/24 00:32:47 (permalink)

Combining EZ Drummer Libraries

I have EZ Drummer Classic Drums and EZ Drummer Latin Percussion libraries. Is there any way to play some elements of both from the same EZDrummer track in Sonar? I don't care about their loops and patterns, I just want to trigger the samples of both libraries from the same MIDI track. Possible????
 
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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/24 01:58:41 (permalink)
    I don't think so. I think you would need to have two instances and two midi tracks. 

    I don't think Ez Player pro has the facility to route to two different kits but it may be worth researching to see.

    I seem to recall reading you could use kit pieces from different EZXs in Superior Drummer.

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/24 02:31:46 (permalink)
    Glyn's first and third lines are the answers.

    First line being the simplest.

    Third line being a bit more complicated of a process (on time only as long as you save the "kit" you create).

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/24 03:13:03 (permalink)
    Okay, thanks guys - I didn't think there was an easy way but it was worth a shot...

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/24 19:29:46 (permalink)
    Absolutely yes - you can.  One midi track will work just fine. I've been doing this for years.

    This will require some work up front, but once it's done, it's done forever.

    Create and save a new map in the drum map manager. Map certain keys to one instance of EZDrummer and others to a second instance of EZ drummer. You can map them across the keyboard anyway you like. I do this with several different drum programs. You can trigger hardware synths for that matter if you want to incorporate them into your kit. It doesn't matter, it all works just fine. 
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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 03:20:15 (permalink)
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    Absolutely yes - you can.  One midi track will work just fine. I've been doing this for years.

    This will require some work up front, but once it's done, it's done forever.

    Create and save a new map in the drum map manager. Map certain keys to one instance of EZDrummer and others to a second instance of EZ drummer. You can map them across the keyboard anyway you like. I do this with several different drum programs. You can trigger hardware synths for that matter if you want to incorporate them into your kit. It doesn't matter, it all works just fine. 


    That's great news... I'll give it a whirl - thanks!!

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 08:16:44 (permalink)
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    Absolutely yes - you can.  One midi track will work just fine. I've been doing this for years.

    This will require some work up front, but once it's done, it's done forever.

    Create and save a new map in the drum map manager. Map certain keys to one instance of EZDrummer and others to a second instance of EZ drummer. You can map them across the keyboard anyway you like. I do this with several different drum programs. You can trigger hardware synths for that matter if you want to incorporate them into your kit. It doesn't matter, it all works just fine. 

    yes!  drum maps are the perfect solution for this!
     
    if you want a visual tutorial on how to do this, look at my website, I have a drum map tutorial with pictures which shows you how to do something very similar to this and you can apply it to your situation using 2 instances of EZD.

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 09:55:38 (permalink)
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    Absolutely yes - you can.  One midi track will work just fine. I've been doing this for years.

    This will require some work up front, but once it's done, it's done forever.

    Create and save a new map in the drum map manager. Map certain keys to one instance of EZDrummer and others to a second instance of EZ drummer. You can map them across the keyboard anyway you like. I do this with several different drum programs. You can trigger hardware synths for that matter if you want to incorporate them into your kit. It doesn't matter, it all works just fine. 

    yes!  drum maps are the perfect solution for this!
     
    if you want a visual tutorial on how to do this, look at my website, I have a drum map tutorial with pictures which shows you how to do something very similar to this and you can apply it to your situation using 2 instances of EZD.

    Thanks Beagle - that will be very helpful. No matter how long I've used Sonar, there's always something new to learn...

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 10:37:46 (permalink)
    I have not checked this out since X1 but IIRC drums maps inhibit the use of soloing a track (like say kick or snare). 

    Gonna have to check that out again.
    If it's still true I can see the reason/problem but if the Bakers solved it kudos to them.

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 13:24:37 (permalink)
    I don't think they solved the solo deal. It was still there for c. I can't remember if I tried it since I upgraded to exp.   

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 13:28:28 (permalink)
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    I don't think they solved the solo deal. It was still there for c. I can't remember if I tried it since I upgraded to exp.   


    IIRC, you can't solo via the MIDI/PRV but you can solo the output if you choose individual outs for each instrument.

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 14:10:10 (permalink)
    I don't think you can. I use the multi outs all the time and have never been able to solo any of them.  This is with ezD.  Unless it got fixed in Expanded. Not at my music PC so I can only go by memory. 

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 14:13:38 (permalink)
    Again, we are speaking of soloing when using a map, right?

    In fact I'll go try it right now.

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 14:19:14 (permalink)
    That's what I'm talking about. It's always been a PITA for me.  No previews will work either. 

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 14:29:48 (permalink)
    Just confirmed, X1expanded still behaves this way (poorly)
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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 15:01:35 (permalink)
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    Just confirmed, X1expanded still behaves this way (poorly)


    Oh crap, now I'm going to have to go back and see what I did. I know the previews don't work but I also know I recently solo'ed drums in this kit. Probably due to a long life of/or debauchery (either or both!), I can't recall exactly how. Need Sonar in front of me...

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/26 16:21:48 (permalink)
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    bapu


    Just confirmed, X1expanded still behaves this way (poorly)


    Oh crap, now I'm going to have to go back and see what I did. I know the previews don't work but I also know I recently solo'ed drums in this kit. Probably due to a long life of/or debauchery (either or both!), I can't recall exactly how. Need Sonar in front of me...


    All right...  I'm using EZ Drummer in X1e. In the PRV (with a map) I can solo a single drum, no problem. It's a little weird because although soloing the snare, for example, mutes all the other drums in the MIDI track, it doesn't mute any of the other tracks in the project. So, to solo an individual drum it must be solo'ed in the PRV and the entire synth must be solo'd. Youse guys gotta stop makin' me think I'm crayze...
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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/29 21:18:28 (permalink)
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    Absolutely yes - you can.  One midi track will work just fine. I've been doing this for years.

    This will require some work up front, but once it's done, it's done forever.

    Create and save a new map in the drum map manager. Map certain keys to one instance of EZDrummer and others to a second instance of EZ drummer. You can map them across the keyboard anyway you like. I do this with several different drum programs. You can trigger hardware synths for that matter if you want to incorporate them into your kit. It doesn't matter, it all works just fine. 

    yes!  drum maps are the perfect solution for this!
     
    if you want a visual tutorial on how to do this, look at my website, I have a drum map tutorial with pictures which shows you how to do something very similar to this and you can apply it to your situation using 2 instances of EZD.


    Hi Beag - I just scoured your website (very nice, btw!) for the tutorial you mentioned but this is the best I could come up with: " This page might have more advanced tutorials in the future, like drum maps! ". I think I can figure it out on my own but I thought you might like to know your site could be down level from where you think it is... unless I just missed the tutorial (which is another possibility). It's nice to see someone being helpful to others on this journey...

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/29 21:45:25 (permalink)
    so sorry about that.  I realized the other day that I never did get the drum map tutorials in the website - I realized it AFTER I told you to look there!    oops!

    here's where the drum map tutorials are until I get them moved to my site:

    http://z8.invisionfree.com/GAPers/index.php?showtopic=74

    there are other tutorials on that forum that I've not moved over yet either, like making custom drum kits in TTS-1.

    and thanks for the props on my site!

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/29 22:54:58 (permalink)
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    so sorry about that.  I realized the other day that I never did get the drum map tutorials in the website - I realized it AFTER I told you to look there!    oops!

    here's where the drum map tutorials are until I get them moved to my site:

    http://z8.invisionfree.com/GAPers/index.php?showtopic=74

    there are other tutorials on that forum that I've not moved over yet either, like making custom drum kits in TTS-1.

    and thanks for the props on my site!


    Okay! Nice tutorial! Thanks! I still have some confusion about the In Note, Out Note and Name columns in the Map Manager. I assume in most cases In and Out Notes don't change. But, if I'm using an EZDrummer kit how do I know what instrument is associated with each In Note? And, if I'm combining two EZD kits (say Drums and Percussion), how do I deal with conflicting In Notes if there are any?

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    so sorry about that.  I realized the other day that I never did get the drum map tutorials in the website - I realized it AFTER I told you to look there!    oops!

    here's where the drum map tutorials are until I get them moved to my site:

    http://z8.invisionfree.com/GAPers/index.php?showtopic=74

    there are other tutorials on that forum that I've not moved over yet either, like making custom drum kits in TTS-1.

    and thanks for the props on my site!


    Okay! Nice tutorial! Thanks! I still have some confusion about the In Note, Out Note and Name columns in the Map Manager. I assume in most cases In and Out Notes don't change. But, if I'm using an EZDrummer kit how do I know what instrument is associated with each In Note? And, if I'm combining two EZD kits (say Drums and Percussion), how do I deal with conflicting In Notes if there are any?


    Oh never mind!! I just found the MIDI layou for all the EZD kits I have... duh!

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/30 08:55:54 (permalink)
    yep!  that's the answer!  whatever library you're using you have to have the map from the manufacturer regarding the note mapping.

    I once bought a sampletank expansion pack of some drums.  the CD actually was mostly drum audio loops, but it also had a small library kit.  this was before I had EZD.  but there was no documentation on the note mappings.  I contacted IK and asked them for a note map.  the email exchange between myself and this "customer service rep" was incredible.  in the end he basically told me to listen to the samples and make my own note map.  I've had a sore spot for IK ever since and I never did buy the full version of SampleTank because of it.  only recently have I relaxed my ire for IK since IK Obi has been frequenting these forums.  he's a true customer service rep.  the other guy was a complete jerk.

    sorry - I guess I digressed there a little. 

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/30 10:38:13 (permalink)
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    yep!  that's the answer!  whatever library you're using you have to have the map from the manufacturer regarding the note mapping.

    I once bought a sampletank expansion pack of some drums.  the CD actually was mostly drum audio loops, but it also had a small library kit.  this was before I had EZD.  but there was no documentation on the note mappings.  I contacted IK and asked them for a note map.  the email exchange between myself and this "customer service rep" was incredible.  in the end he basically told me to listen to the samples and make my own note map.  I've had a sore spot for IK ever since and I never did buy the full version of SampleTank because of it.  only recently have I relaxed my ire for IK since IK Obi has been frequenting these forums.  he's a true customer service rep.  the other guy was a complete jerk.

    sorry - I guess I digressed there a little. 

    Not to bash IK but.... I've consistently had problems with their software and gotten little help other than the "re-install it" runaround. I have a ticket open with them now that is getting no response - even when I inquire. Sampletank is unusable in both standalone and as an X1 plug in. I'm looking into buying a product that will convert all my Sampletank libraries to Kontakt.

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/30 11:50:50 (permalink)
    I think chicken systems translator will convert ST libraries to Kontakt, but I'm not 100% positive how well it works, I've never tried it.  (and it's not super cheap, either)

    http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1948.html 

    however, I would encourage you to contact IK Obi on these forums.  he's usually around fairly frequently on the Software forum and has been very helpful to forum members recently.  send him a PM.

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    Re:Combining EZ Drummer Libraries 2011/11/30 14:44:06 (permalink)
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    I think chicken systems translator will convert ST libraries to Kontakt, but I'm not 100% positive how well it works, I've never tried it.  (and it's not super cheap, either)

    http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1948.html 

    however, I would encourage you to contact IK Obi on these forums.  he's usually around fairly frequently on the Software forum and has been very helpful to forum members recently.  send him a PM.


    Yeah - that's the package I was considering... half price now I think... maybe I'll PM the guy you mentioned. If they can giev me a fix, I may not entirely jump ship but I did just order Kontakt 5 for Kirk's Brass samples. Thanks for the info!

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