Coming from Reason/Live

just because you haven't found them doesn't mean they don't exist.

 
Yes i get that..  So where are these intuitive interfaces then that the op is requesting??  Where is the sonar regroove realtime mixer?



"You would expect" ? .. Aren't expectations based on each individual's earlier experiences? Just because you expect something doesn't make it a standard-expectation. Choose your words..


I seem to have annoyed you.  These are desirable things for many people working with audio and midi and are very popular feautures of other daws/programs.

But, well.. Maybe it's just me that totally have misunderstood the meaning of the word menu?
Spliting a clip into slices:

• Selecting "Audio Transients" instead of "Clips" on the track
• Press A to get the AudioSnap-window
• Adjusting the Filter->Treshold until you've got the the slices you want
• Click the Scissors -icon at the top of the window
• All done

Can you please point out where the menu gets involved?

 
Menus/windows whatever.  Point is , why not just have all of that when you open up a clip and edit it to hand?   An built in audio editor would be beneficial  is the point.  forkul for one seems to agree and i suspect the op will agree if he demos the product.

And also; In Sonar almost everything can be assigned to a keyboard short-cut
 
 
All major daws do shortcuts and is not a sonar exclusive feature.
Besides.. You don't need to slice the clip to quantize to snap in Sonar though..
This Sonar does non-destructively with audio-snap.

And your point is?

Swiller
Similarly the prv (traditional piano midi editor) is only a track editor , not a clip editor.

So if you double click a midi clip to edit whilst the track is playing, it will scroll off the screen

once the clip part has passed/or you wont see the clips notes if the track is playing before or after

the clip. Demo it and see how you get on.

This is also untrue. As soon you start ediding MIDI the pianoroll stops scrolling. 
Also, if you've choosed to use Step Sequencer for the clip it will never scroll..


 If you have a 40 bar midi sequence looped. Chop the first four bars and double click it whilst playing. Then grab and hold a few notes in prv view whilst the track plays and it will scroll off the page and the selected notes will follow the scroll by default. John has pointed out the extra steps that are required to stop the scrolling  from happening. It does not stop scrolling when you start to edit notes as you have claimed. Many would see that as an unecessary step in workflow and an annoying feature.
 
edit:
Please.. Do the research before replying and if you're not sure; say so or don't answer
Spreading misinformations helps noone

 
 Practice what you preach. This is a forum and i can contribute opinions on what i want when i want thankyou very much. I dont think i am being offensive or misinformed and make relevant points as to the ops original question. My contributions are based on absolute experiences of working with sonar for a few years and producing music for 15+ years in other daws and programs including reason and the regroove functionality that the op was talking about.  If that annoys you.... then tough :)

John


Swiller you are mistaken about almost everything. Before one comments on a product it helps if the person knows how the product works.

Anderton


Actually there are a couple options.

1. ReWire!! Reason and Sonar make a great combination. Just treat Reason like a super rack of instruments working within Sonar. OctoRex, Kong...they're all great with Sonar.

2. The RXP REX File player. This seems to be a really well-kept secret, but it's fabulous. I'm not sure if it does exactly what you want, but here's how it works...you drag a REX file into it, and you can either loop the file or slice it. When sliced, you can play each slice in real time from a keyboard if you're into on-the-fly re-arranging, BUT you can also drag a MIDI file from the RXP player into Sonar, with each slice represented by a MIDI note (just like Reason). Then you can go into MIDI and mess around with the notes, jumble them around, overdub by playing slices from the keyboard, whatever.

But wait! There's more!! There's a multi-mode filter and amplitude envelope that applies globally to the slices, and all RXP parameters are automable. Also, you can transpose plus and minuse four octaves, tweak tuning in cents, and there's a cool random pitch function that can really add interest to percussion parts. So, you can lay down stuff on the fly, but then go back and tweak the slice's audio parameters.
  
Of course, if you're into Maschine or MPC, you can trigger the slices from the pads; you're not limited to using a keyboard.

1. ReWire!! Reason and Sonar make a great combination. Just treat Reason like a super rack of instruments working within Sonar. OctoRex, Kong...they're all great with Sonar.

bvideo


FYI: Groove quantizing, while it is destructive, can match the groove of any existing track, not just a predefined template, by first extracting the groove (from midi or audiosnap) and then applying it -- with various strength applied to timing, velocity, and note length. There's also an audition feature.

John


I have no idea what its about anymore.