jayrmac
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Comments on quote please
Hi, I'm planning to buy a new PC sometime between now and Christmas, and would appreciate any comments on the quote below. The price is in Aussie dollars, but US is about the same. I know I could save a bit by assembling it myself, but I don't have the exertise. I currently have Music Creator 4, 5 and 6, but will upgrade to Sonar Producer to take advantage of the 64-bit environment. I will be mainly using it for orchestral compositions, using Kontakt 4 (Vienna Philharmonic), Symphobia and Miroslav Philharmonik. I would like to run quite a few MIDI and audio tracks. I will go for one of the upgrades listed below - namely, a second hard drive. In fact, I still have some 32-bit programs, so I was thinking about three hard drives: 1 Gig for 64-bit programs, 500 MB for project files and 500 MB for 32-bit programs. Intel Chipset Motherboard with 1 PCI, and 6 newer PCI-E 2 slots. Intel core i7-2600, 3.4 Ghz Quad core 8 thread CPU (see upgrade prices below) Custom Quite fan and sound treatment where needed 16 Gb of CORSAIR DDR3 ram. Fast PC-3-12800 speed not slower. ATI Radeon Dual Head graphics card with DVI+VGA+HDMI PCI-E 2 x16 One HDD 1000 gb Sata2 HDD 7200rpm with 32 MB cache Delux Black midi tower case with 2 front usb ports 520+ watt constant not peak rated quiet power supply, low ripple for better audio Intergated network, USB3, IDE, firewire and SATA3 Samsung 22x dual layer SATA DVD burner in black with software Windows Home Premium 64-bit OEM supplied, installed and tweaked for audio Custom tweaking program supplied to setup computer and maintain computer Total: $1,898 Upgrades +$88 for an extra 1000 Gb HDD, setup as one for Windows and one for audio +$98 to upgrade from Windows 7 Home to Ultimate version +$120 to upgrade to a Blue-ray reader and burner +$340 Intel i7 980 SIX-Core 3.33 Ghz CPU 12 thread capable +380 Intel E3-1280 Xeon Quad-core 3.5 Ghz CPU 8 thread capable Any comments at all would be appreciated. Many thanks, J
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dmbaer
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/27 18:37:22
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I don't know if they ship internationally, but if you're going for a higher end machine, you might want to check out Studiocat (a US outfit). Jim Roseberry (who *is* Studiocat) is frequently heard from on these forums. I've purchased two machines from them in the last year. They specialize in DAWs but I liked what they offered so much I bought a non-DAW upgrade from them as well my new DAW upgrade machine. Very happy customer here in general. But the real draw is the expertise in machines built specifically for music applications.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/27 19:24:23
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I'd go for at least 2 hard drives.... one for OS and programs and the other for samples...and if you can swing the bux, a 3rd for backup. And I'd also go for a slightly larger power supply. at least 750w. more power capacity will not hurt one bit. Keep in mind, you can save 40% or more by building that DAW yourself. I'm not exactly a computer geek and I did it. Easily saved me $800 on the DAW. What you have in the list looks more then capable to run a sweet DAW. enjoy it.
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fireberd
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/27 19:45:09
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I wouldn't think a separate hard drive is needed for 32 bit programs. If the 32 bit program will run under Windows 7 (and most 32 bit programs do), they are installed in the Program Files(x86) folder. 64 bit programs are installed in the Program Files folder. Sonar will setup folders in both the Program Files (primarily where most will reside) and in the Program Files (x86) folder. I have VST's in both folders on my OS and Sonar drive.
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jayrmac
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/27 21:06:01
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Hi dmbaer. Thanks for your input. Yes, I'm aware of studiocat and adkproaudio. I ordered my audio interface (an EMU-0404 UBS 2) from the US, and it arrived DOA. I had to pay the postage of returning it, and a replacement was sent. I wouldn't like to risk it with a PC. Besides, the overseas postage would be a considerable extra expense. Glad to know you are happy with your machines. __________________ Thanks Herb. Yes, two hard disks and a third for backup sounds sensible. I think this is what fireberd is suggesting also. I'll ask about the extra power supply. My two concerns being, extra cost and extra noise. If both of these can be kept low I'll definately consider it. Many thanks for your input Herb. __________________ Thanks fireberd. OK, it looks like I wouldn't need a separate drive for 32-bit programs. This is consistent with what Herb is saying. Many thanks, J
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timidi
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/27 22:02:36
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That looks like about $800 in labor.
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jayrmac
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/28 02:53:48
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Yes, I'm aware of that Tim. I'm paying quite a bit for the labor. Two other options I considered were: (1) Buy an off-the-shelf PC with specs similar to the quote. But this would be a gaming PC or business PC, not an audio PC. (2) I could list the components I want, and get them supplied and assembled by a non-specialist retailer - one not specialising in audio PCs. I'm sure I could get it done (a bit) cheaper that way. But, it would lack the audio-specific extras: sound treatment, custom tweaking program. Also, I might choose a quiet fan, power supply, case etc, based on internet browsing, but they might not be compatible - i.e. well-matched, either to each other or to the task of audio work. Not being expert on computers myself, I thought it might be safer to rely on someone who is. In other words, a proportion of the $800 is for labor, and a proportion for peace of mind. Not that few hundred dollars worth of extra software wouldn't be nice! I read an earlier post of yours where you suggested 3 internal drives for audio work. How would you divide tasks between them? Did you mean 3 internal drives, plus an extra external drive for backup? Or were you thinking of one of the 3 for backup? Thanks for your input Tim. J
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slartabartfast
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/28 03:00:12
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That looks like about $800 in labor. Labor is part of it. Rent on workspace, storage etc., advertising, design, acquisition of parts, customer support, losses on unsold inventory that becomes relatively obsolete, insurance, licenses etc. are in there. So is profit. Building a machine in your kitchen avoids some of those costs. Actually, the retail price of parts is substantially higher than what most computer assemblers who do more than one or two machines a month would pay for wholesale purchases, so the $800.00 may be misleading. For an identical system the professional assemblers should be paying less than most of us for components. Most of the build it yourselfers either pay top dollar for new technology top of the line components or collect the parts as they find them on sale close to the end of their prime lifetime. The difference in parts pricing between those two strategies can be extreme.
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jcschild
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/28 08:40:17
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HI, in OZ i would look here http://www.aavimt.com.au/ FYI we have a 30 day lemon clause, we pay shipping both directions within that time period for any issues. you should have a total of 4 drives OS/programs Audio drive samples drive External back up. all the other upgrades are pointless
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jcschild
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/28 08:44:16
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slartabartfast That looks like about $800 in labor.
Labor is part of it. Rent on workspace, storage etc., advertising, design, acquisition of parts, customer support, losses on unsold inventory that becomes relatively obsolete, insurance, licenses etc. are in there. So is profit. Building a machine in your kitchen avoids some of those costs. Actually, the retail price of parts is substantially higher than what most computer assemblers who do more than one or two machines a month would pay for wholesale purchases, so the $800.00 may be misleading. For an identical system the professional assemblers should be paying less than most of us for components. Most of the build it yourselfers either pay top dollar for new technology top of the line components or collect the parts as they find them on sale close to the end of their prime lifetime. The difference in parts pricing between those two strategies can be extreme. i am glad someone gets it.. FYI i can find pricing online for less than i pay for components far too frequently. and i have some pretty good purchasing power.
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dmbaer
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/28 13:39:38
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timidi That looks like about $800 in labor. For a system of similar capability, I calculated it to be closer to $500, or maybe a 40% premium over cost of parts. I've built my own machines in the past, but I chose to go with an non-DYI solution this time for several reasons. First of all, my time is limited and I'd rather spend it doing pleasurable things. When things all go correctly, building your own PC is a blast. When they don't, it's hair-pulling pain and frustration. If you are not an expert, you might end up spending money on professional help in any case (been there, done that). But it's far more than the assembly time. Going with a professional solution gets you far more hours of experience and knowledge in a) picking the right components that b) have a good track record of reliability and compatibility and c) configuring your OS to be what it needs to be as a good DAW.
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Kev999
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/28 19:23:32
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dmbaer When things all go correctly, building your own PC is a blast. When they don't, it's hair-pulling pain and frustration. True! My latest build was problematic. On initial boot, it worked for about 1 hour then died. I had no way of telling which component had failed and ended up taking it to a local computer repair shop. Fortunately the guy didn't charge me anything for diagnosing the problem, which turned out to be a faulty PSU (Antec CP-850). At an earlier stage I had ordered a motherboard (Intel DX58SO), but then became aware that this particular board is known to be incompatible with UAD cards. I had to quickly cancel and I was cornered into purchasing something suitable from a limited range of options and ended up paying out more than I had originally planned. These incidents have not put me off building my own PCs though.
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timidi
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/28 19:37:57
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I wasn't saying that $800 was right or wrong. I was just saying.
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jayrmac
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Re:Comments on quote please
2011/10/28 21:52:44
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Many thanks Scott. I have not come across AAVIMT before, although I have searched for specialist audio PC retailers in Melbourne. It was very interesting to do the comparison between the AAVIMT 'Artist' DAW and the one I got the earlier quote for. Some components are better on one, some better on the other, though they are very comparable, and very similar in price. That's reassuring to know. Thanks also for your advice about the drives. I'll go for two extra 500 MB HDDs instead of one 1 GB drive in that case - the difference in price should not be great. And, yes, I should have pointed out that the faulty audio interface I bought did not come from either ADK Pro Audio or Studiocat. It came from another US supplier, and was probably damaged during shipping. _______________________ Thanks for your input Slartabartfast, dmbaer and Kev999. You are articulating some of the apprehensions I had about building my own PC. I admire those who can do it - a great sense of achievement - but I'm not expert enough to do it myself. I'll pay the extra and keep my hair. _______________________ Point taken Tim. J
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