Paul G
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Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
I've tracked vocals for several songs using, (I think...), the Sound on Sound Recording Mode. Now I'm trying to use the new comping tools but they are really acting weird. Do you need to record in the Comping Mode for the Comping Tools to work correctly? I do understand the basics of the new tools. Thanks. Paul
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 16:56:14
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What do you see when you expand your take lanes?
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Paul G
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 17:05:13
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Bristol_Jonesey What do you see when you expand your take lanes?
The multiple takes..... Is that what you're asking? I'm confused. Paul
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 17:12:31
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You don't have to use comp recording in order to use the comping tools later on. Comp recording just means whatever you're recording over will be muted and the last take for any given stretch on the timeline will be made "active" until you start editing/comping. Sound on sound mode just lets you hear everything, including multiple takes, during recording.
If you haven't used the speed comping tools I would really recommend taking a few minutes to watch a YouTube tutorial on them. It will save you a lot of time and aggravation.
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Paul G
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 17:32:51
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Sanderxpander You don't have to use comp recording in order to use the comping tools later on. Comp recording just means whatever you're recording over will be muted and the last take for any given stretch on the timeline will be made "active" until you start editing/comping. Sound on sound mode just lets you hear everything, including multiple takes, during recording.
If you haven't used the speed comping tools I would really recommend taking a few minutes to watch a YouTube tutorial on them. It will save you a lot of time and aggravation.
I would have thought that. I'm loop recording and always used Sound on Sound. Does it now default to Comp Record for loop recording? The tracks do record fine though. I'm trying to figure out why I'm having so much trouble with the comping tools. I'm getting lockups and other strange goings on. Yes, I've been studying the videos and I still do need to learn all the shortcuts but I don't think comping should be giving me so much trouble. I was very fast in S8.5. Learning the new workflow is one thing, having Splat lock up and the other weirdness is not making me happy. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 17:41:55
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Lock ups are always bad. They usually are an indication that something is wrong with the soundcard driver or something else system related. I have had some stability issues that seem to center around multiple Melodyne instances, but I haven't had a single case of comping causing lock ups. I'm counting almost daily use since September 2013 here.
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Paul G
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 17:46:11
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Sanderxpander Lock ups are always bad. They usually are an indication that something is wrong with the soundcard driver or something else system related. I have had some stability issues that seem to center around multiple Melodyne instances, but I haven't had a single case of comping causing lock ups. I'm counting almost daily use since September 2013 here.
One of the lockups did generate a report. If it continues I may to send it off to the Bakers. Is it possible to read those and figure it out? Or is it code only the Bakers can read? Thanks.
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 18:00:04
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Loop Record has always been weird for me and just recently corrupted a project. There were many other factors in play though that I won't go in to here. Right click your Record Button in the Transport Module and be sure you are in Comp Mode. Up your buffers (interface and HDD read/write cache) BIG time before beginning Fast Comping (Fast Comp is one of the major causes of dropouts on my system.. but again other factors are in play). Definitely study up thoroughly on comping procedures and keep a cheat sheet by your keyboard... and don't just go by those Cake TV vids. They are great but check out the manual... there is more to it and doing things WITHOUT entering fast comp isn't quite as strenuous on the system. Actually the fast comp stuff relies on the old audition feature which again has always caused weird crap for me (like dropouts). Try to use as few splits as possible too. This seems to help because I think Sonar readies itself to automatically play any and all combinations so the more splits you toss into your comping set up the more resources get hogged. I could be wrong on that and this is all kind of stream of consciousness speculation/advice but I use comping all the time. It is still a bit mysterious to me as far as its quirks and needs but I've managed to bend it to my will if I don't push it too hard. Maybe not helpful... but maybe it is. Good luck.
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 18:00:04
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Speaking of looping... I seem to have gotten caught in one. Well played, forum software. Well played.
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Paul G
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 20:50:55
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Beepster Loop Record has always been weird for me and just recently corrupted a project. There were many other factors in play though that I won't go in to here. Right click your Record Button in the Transport Module and be sure you are in Comp Mode. Up your buffers (interface and HDD read/write cache) BIG time before beginning Fast Comping (Fast Comp is one of the major causes of dropouts on my system.. but again other factors are in play). Definitely study up thoroughly on comping procedures and keep a cheat sheet by your keyboard... and don't just go by those Cake TV vids. They are great but check out the manual... there is more to it and doing things WITHOUT entering fast comp isn't quite as strenuous on the system. Actually the fast comp stuff relies on the old audition feature which again has always caused weird crap for me (like dropouts). Try to use as few splits as possible too. This seems to help because I think Sonar readies itself to automatically play any and all combinations so the more splits you toss into your comping set up the more resources get hogged. I could be wrong on that and this is all kind of stream of consciousness speculation/advice but I use comping all the time. It is still a bit mysterious to me as far as its quirks and needs but I've managed to bend it to my will if I don't push it too hard. Maybe not helpful... but maybe it is. Good luck.
Thanks Beep. This is interesting stuff. If it takes more resources that might explain some of the issues I'm having. How do you enter "Fast Comp" mode? By selecting Comp Record? I thought you just used the tools and hit shift-space bar. I'll do some more reading on it for sure. Honestly, I'd rather comp the way I used to and just take advantage of what the new tools bring to the table. One of the things about the fast comping that doesn't set well with me was the way the looping works. It loops the clips, which is OK but what if you want to hear the potential selections in context? You have to stop and reset outside the loop points and then hit play again. Now you're out of Fast Comp mode. Also, often I'm may need to shift a clip a bit and that automatically shifts the split point. I may not want that. Thanks for all the comments. I'm going to dig into it a bit more. Any other input would be welcomed. Paul
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/03/31 21:08:37
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Yeah, I was referring to the Shift Space thing. I've started promoting clips with playback stopped by clicking with the Comp Tool in the lower part of the clip instead. It's just more natural to me and chokes the system less. The unfortunate side effect of that is that it resets the Now Time to wherever you clicked so it has to be reset but I intend to figure out a way around that. The other way to promote is to select the clip and press enter but in Platinum that seems to close the lanes which is annoying. It doesn't reset the Now Time though. Again there's probably a way around that I have yet to figure out or maybe it's a bug (not sure why anyone would wnat lanes to close automatically like that while comping... it's weird). The Speed Comp mode (which I'm now remembering is the proper term... I think) is still really cool but you really gotta get into the mindset of it, and of course it tends to cause dropouts and other annoyances which kind of defeats the whole "Speed" part. I think it will work much better once I set my HDDs up properly (currently everything is on C... so it's reading program stuff AND project/audio data fromt he same disk... which isn't ideal).
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Paul G
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/04/06 00:10:46
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This is now 'Sort Of' solved. I'm spending more time using the new comping tools and am getting better at making them do what I want. I haven't had a lock up in a while now so that's good. I'm not sure what I'm doing different. Thanks to the Beepster for his help! I still have a strange issue with the Inspector. It just randomly opens as I'm editing. I'm not able, (so far), to duplicated it at will but it occurs while I'm editing with the comping tools. Another strange thing occurred today. I finished comping a vocal track. As I scrolled back through the song I noticed that all the selected clips from the middle section of song were now muted! The first part of the song was fine and the last part of the song as well. The middle section, gone! Did I hit a shortcut key? Should I be "promoting" these clips? I haven't tried that. Does it "lock" the selected clips? Has anyone seen these? Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks Paul
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/04/06 01:52:11
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You don't have to have used comp record mode to use the comping tools but to get the best from it you do need to start from a state that comp record mode automatically leaves the lanes and clips in. That is all clips in all but one lane muted. Note that is the clips muted not the lanes. Only one lane should contain unmuted clips. From that position you are good to go for comping in either speed comping or manual mode. HTH
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Paul G
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Re: Comp Recording Mode to use comping tools?
2015/04/06 08:28:28
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FastBikerBoy You don't have to have used comp record mode to use the comping tools but to get the best from it you do need to start from a state that comp record mode automatically leaves the lanes and clips in. That is all clips in all but one lane muted. Note that is the clips muted not the lanes. Only one lane should contain unmuted clips. From that position you are good to go for comping in either speed comping or manual mode. HTH
Thanks Karl. I'm slowly figuring out the best method for my workflow. I now have my templates set up with Comp Record as the default so that will help on future projects. I'd still like to know more about the two issues mentioned in my previous post. Paul
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