Dave Modisette
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Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
This is a question for the guys who are slogging it out in the Recording studio trenches (both small commercial and project studios). Is software piracy pervasive in your industry and do you find it extremely hard to compete against studios/producers who have every highend plugin crack in the book? The argument isn't whether it is wrong or right because software piracy is wrong no matter what kind of excuse or justification you can create mentally. Me, I'm just a part-timer and if I find someone who I want to work with and what they want to do isn't going to take up too much of my free time or will pay me enough to sacrifice my free time, I'll take on a project. But I see ads for guys in my area recording for rates that a good handyman with a van full of tools could beat (profit wise) by three times. With the gear they advertise and the software they claim to have, something just doesn't give. That is, unless they have a wife who is a doctor or they just got a great settlement through an ambulance chasing lawyer. I can't imagine having to compete in today's recording market.
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Rain
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/12 11:27:36
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FWIW, I know many, many, many studio owners who aren't exceedingly bothered w/ the legality of the software they use. In fact, the ratio is the opposite of what it should be. I'm glad I don't have to compete with them - it'd be like trying to make it in Hollywood w/o Bottox nowadays.
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Danny Danzi
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/12 11:45:40
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Mod Bod This is a question for the guys who are slogging it out in the Recording studio trenches (both small commercial and project studios). Is software piracy pervasive in your industry and do you find it extremely hard to compete against studios/producers who have every highend plugin crack in the book? The argument isn't whether it is wrong or right because software piracy is wrong no matter what kind of excuse or justification you can create mentally. Me, I'm just a part-timer and if I find someone who I want to work with and what they want to do isn't going to take up too much of my free time or will pay me enough to sacrifice my free time, I'll take on a project. But I see ads for guys in my area recording for rates that a good handyman with a van full of tools could beat (profit wise) by three times. With the gear they advertise and the software they claim to have, something just doesn't give. That is, unless they have a wife who is a doctor or they just got a great settlement through an ambulance chasing lawyer. I can't imagine having to compete in today's recording market. I never even thought of competition as far as gear or software etc. The competition part comes into play with the ability to run out to Staples or Sam Ash and buy a recording program and do it yourself. Most people like that challenge at first until they see how hard it is. Some win the battle, others struggle until they can't take anymore. The key to survival for me is to offer things no one else offers as well as completing everything ahead of schedule, being up front and honest, and always treating every job as it were your own work while making the client feel they are the only one you have. Communication is key as well as earning trust. All my clients that work with me have something in common. They never worry about anything. Even if we struggle a bit, the end result is always better than expected. They know I'll deliver the goods because their happiness means more to me than the money or anything else. I don't care what people advertise or what they have in their studio's....if they can't deliver the goods and take care of clients the way I do...they aren't my competition....I'm theirs. :) -Danny
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Rain
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/12 16:24:08
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I'm wondering though, just how efficient advertising plug-ins would be - for most people, Pro Tools and Autotune seem like they could help, but are there really that many musicians who'd go to a studio because they have Waves Mercury bundle? This seems likely to appeal geeks like us who have their own set ups at home. And obviously, if I were to advertise my studio and cash in on hype, I'd find a way to advertise what I have to make it look good. It'd probably fool anyone dumb enough to buy into hype. For me, the obvious reason to go to a studio would be expertise (list of previous clients), how I feel about the engineers who work there and of course, the proper rooms to record and mix. But as soon as plug-ins are regarded as a crucial thing, it means that we're talking about something I could do at home.
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Philip
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/14 19:22:06
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+1 Rain But I fear dropping in on anyones studio, since I have the best band-collabs and producers ... right here on these forums ... As a customer (who sings and composes), I have to 'connect' with others. Artists oft perceive the $$$ as just a necessary evil/good. But in reality, music has become more a charity, a labor of love, etc. The producer must be my friend ... from the heart ... most viable musicians are like me: they are all heart and would rather fail then sell themselves to plugin-geeks, commercials, or mastering houses. My fellow producers are usually on-line. Though, I play a little with locals. OTOH, historically, pre-DAW hymnists have sold themselves to commerical producers, like the devil, IMHO. They had no choice and took any money ... while their hymns became copyrighted-for-hire by the Tenn Companies. (Ouch!) It is extremely difficult for me to sing copyrighted hymns in church ... the gospel is free. OTOH, I've worked long hours with many amateur producers here; most (90%) won't let me pay them a cent for their excellent collabs, mixing, etc. God knows I've tried. Nothing is fair. Its extremely rare for me to find a Sonarite who 'accepts money'. But for those I've paid, my conscience feels better, I've learned a lot, etc. The songs 'get finished' ... the economic incentive is a curious thing. Medicare pays extra for me to travel to rural nursing homes to perform as a podiatrist. "I'd pay big bucks for inspired musical help" ... but the 'hireling' sloth and 'fame' egotist ruins many songs, IMHO. Does he/she 'connect' to my vibe and/or faithfully perform? Not his/her software, not his/her studio, nor the 'has-been' status, etc. (Jeff Cook ('Alabama') lives next door, but you couldn't pay me to perform with him, nor Jeff Lynne (ELO) if he lived next door) Yup, inspired producers (not softwares) win my soul. Mastering houses ... just don't seem financially increasing. That may change based on your faithfulness, love, full-time status, collabs or such. JMO/IMHO. ... The public is increasingly aware: great music is cheaply accessible from a cw home-studio. Money is tight. A great guitar performer (incl bass) is a rare jewell for me tho. He is worth his $$$ for his riffs, rhythms, chuggas, etc. Surely you can jam on some of my songs? Even inspired mp3s (all types) are priceless for my mixes. IOWs, I (and others) may be interested in your on-line collaboration for certain songs ... if you 'faithfully connect' with me. Songs forum is where I connect.
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droddey
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/14 20:28:18
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The people being damaged the most are the people making the software. If someone is running a legit studio, they can write off the cost of their plugins because those are business tools. But of course so many people these days just assume that anything they can get without getting caught is fine. I've seen some mindnumblingly stupid rationalizations out there for why it's ok to steal software, music, and movies. The best thing you could do is turn these people in if you know what they are doing. That also can be done quite anonymously I would think. If these folks start suddenly getting some nastygrams from lawyers, they'll start to understand that there are ramifications.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/15 09:19:46
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Just haveing the software...cracked or legal doesn't mean jack..... can you use it effectively? But I guess if it's in a studio (professional) I would hope they do know how to use it.... Now.... would I want to use a studio that had illegal/cracked software? No. If they will cheat on that, they will cheat me too. If you have to use illegal software, why can you not afford to buy the legal version? Are you not running the business correctly from an accounting point of view? Not a place I would want to do business with. Note: An old buddy of mine, (I used to play in a band with him way back) we reconnected a few years ago, told me he had all sorts of software for music....and went on to name a bunch of the high priced stuff..... then said he got it all for free. I asked him if it was cracked. He said.."Wadda you think?"
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Rain
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/15 12:52:13
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Guitarhacker Just haveing the software...cracked or legal doesn't mean jack..... can you use it effectively? But I guess if it's in a studio (professional) I would hope they do know how to use it.... Important point right there. I don't own a thousand plug-ins. I have my bundled set, a few IK plugs, Magnetic and a couple of others. Even the few freebies I use are carefully selected. The plug-ins I use the most are the bundled ones. I'm getting to know them like the back of my hand, and I can basically do anything w/ these. Seriously. I have to try very hard to even find a reason to use others, and it takes a lot of tweaking to come up w/ something that makes a difference for the better - and which couldn't be achieved with my regular ones. I basically do that when I have time to waste. On the other hand, I've known quite a few folks who had all the Waves plug-ins, all the Sonnox plug-ins, etc... What they do w/ them? You tell me. I think they believe that one of them will just happen to work magically for whatever they're trying to do in a specific scenario, or do half the work for them. For me, it is just a matter of inserting my usual plug-in and making it do what I want. One guy once offered to "give" me the Waves SSL bundle. I said no thanks, that I was sticking w/ Logic's set of plug-ins. He then went on raving about Logic's channel strips presets saying how marvelously they worked. Case in point, the guy was actually using presets for EQ and compression. Talk about an engineer...
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/15 20:29:23
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My philosophy is to have a few good plugs and learn how to use them effectively. I use the presets as a starting point, because what worked in a song yesterday, might not necessarily work in a different song today. That's why it is so important to learn WHY you are doing something.
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Re:Competing in the marketplace and software piracy.
2011/10/15 22:57:34
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There's not much left to the studio or audio engineering side of the business really....look how much real audio engineering has been taken over with software and hardware. If you're tracking a real choir or orchestra then it becomes about space and place. About the only thing you can use effectively to market with is your producer's chops....can you package up a song or an album with quality musicianship or production techniques. One other thing you can offer is quality instruments. Probably the main thing is what danny spoke to...good attitude, focus and concentration on the clients end game product.
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